[demon442]

I, personally, hate this idea.  The whole reason V included FRED was to encourage people to make MODs for other people for free.  If we let this suit just waltz in and market our material,(that we never intended to sell anyway) we might as well kiss the community as we know it goodbye.  It seems to me that the con's outweigh the pro's.  Getting paid for a MOD that i made sounds good but just as soon as one person gets paid, another person wants in on it, and then fights break out over money and the whole MODing experience is ruined forever.

I am totally against the idea.

[Solatar]

I'm not completely against the idea. If the whole community worked together to create an expansion pack, and then sold it, that would be okay. But the campaigns that are for the community, if they ever get sold; I'm taking down the TVWP, all its stuff, and leaving the community.

[Knight Templar]

yes, but selling something, as it was posted before, how do you decide what deserves what pay? They all have their varying levels of work and skill.. but there is so much complication.. i don't even think it would happen if we wanted it to.

[WMCoolmon]

I'm pretty suspicious of this. He reminds me of Ascraeus, who, after getting everyone's hopes up over FS2.9, saying that he had talked with Volition employees for a job interview, just disappeared.
I'm further put off by:

I am in a unique position to put just about whatever tpyr of product on TV that I want...Even none gamers were blown away by its techical merit and story writers in my field have drooled over the overall idea of it...

(Both of these sentences are too long to be spoken aloud without sounding odd)
I want to work with a group pf people on putting a FS2 game and series of additional campaigns on a disc and market it in an infomercial format...Now many of you who have never been exposed to that level of marketing may not believe that products in retail require way to much marketing to be very effective...

"Can someone help me find the person or prsons responsible for making anykind of decisions concerning FS2 and the ability to market the product." (This begins a question, but ends with a period?)

I'd like to get some serious help on this as I truly believe ther is a huge untapped market for his product as well as additional works from many of you.

There are a number of spelling mistakes in the above, and quite a bit of the post is run-on sentences...something I think anyone doing advertising would avoid like the plague.
Edit: drmedia posted this in a campaign forum instead of a Freespace 2 forum or contacting the webmaster of either HLP or VW. Pretty odd, if you ask me.
Edit 2: If I see a sample of this guy's work, which supposedly got over 1,800,000 callers, I'll be a lot less suspicious.

[RandomTiger]

I have had a little chat we this guy and its all very interesting but in my opinion his projected sales figures are way too high, for a 3 year old PC game (smaller marker) for a genre that doesnt sell well just doesnt seem right.

However, if he is able to get the rights (who knows) then I believe there is a danger, would he be able to prevent work on the SCP because he owns the code? Or would the SCP continue and fade out because we dont want to do loads of hard work and line someone elses pockets.

Either way this would hurt the MOD's because the engine wont adapt to their needs.

Its a nasty world and when something seems to good to be true, it just about always is.

However if Im wrong, I will be ready to help stear this in a positive direction.

[CP5670]

There are a number of spelling mistakes in the above, and quite a bit of the post is run-on sentences...something I think anyone doing advertising would avoid like the plague.
Edit: drmedia posted this in a campaign forum instead of a Freespace 2 forum or contacting the webmaster of either HLP or VW. Pretty odd, if you ask me.
Edit 2: If I see a sample of this guy's work, which supposedly got over 1,800,000 callers, I'll be a lot less suspicious.

Yes, I am also doubtful of this whole affair, and as you said, both the post and method of contact are suggestive; it is not so much the idea as the guy himself that I find strange. (for all we know, it could just be one of the numerous outcasts from squadwar wanting to mess up the community again) We should ask for more information about him and some samples of his work, but I would definitely remain wary.

[phreak]

the more i look at this, the more skeptical i become

remember this is the internet where everything is true and everything is false.

The only way i would pay for a campiagn is if i had a 56k and i couldn't download a campaign, i would have fileplanet or someone burn it to a cd and ship it to me.

[Galemp]

Okay, leave the missions and mods out of it for now. What if this guy just wants to revitalize the sales of FS2 by putting it on an infomercial? Give it the marketing chance it never had?

[RandomTiger]

Well the guy seems to be trying to get the rights to FS2 so I guess if we like it or not we cant do anything but see if he is successful.

[Knight Templar]

why don't someone get this bad boy on ICQ or somethin' and ralk to him. See if he's for real and take it from there.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Knight Templar
why don't someone get this bad boy on ICQ or somethin' and ralk to him. See if he's for real and take it from there.

[Knight Templar]

Originally muttered by me

and ralk to him.

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[RandomTiger]

Originally posted by Knight Templar
why don't someone get this bad boy on ICQ or somethin' and ralk to him. See if he's for real and take it from there.

How do you determine that?

[Knight Templar]

It doesn't really matter... i just think we need to know if he is for real and try to explain to him our position. I think we all wouldn't mind makin some money offa our campaigns, but that's deffinitly not why we make them, and none of us would want to pay 20 bucks or whatever to play Machina Terra or whatever.

I think re-marketing FS2 might be a good idea, if he can get ahold of it. But i don't know where i stand on the issue of selling our campaigns. Maybe selling them to the general public or something but all community members get in for free. Although thats not really fair.. i don't know.

[Su-tehp]

I am TOTALLY AGAINST the idea of selling our campaigns. Sure, I wouldn't mind making some money off DatDB, God knows, but something about drmedia just seems WAY off.

drmedia claims to be an advertising guy, but his spelling mistakes in his post make me REALLY suspicious; everyone who works in advertising needs a better grasp of English grammar than THAT.

drmedia is probably some pre-pubescent troll somewhere trying to have some fun at our expense by using a new take on the FS3 topic. I HIGHLY doubt this guy is who he says he is. Even if he is legit, there are WAY too many legal issues to deal with. Besides, NONE of the user-made campaigns, while they may come close, don't equal the quality of the original campaign, at least, not enough so that I would shell out money for them.

I say we ignore this bastard until he proves who he says he is. Until then, we keep doing what we've always been doing, because anything else could destroy this community and we've all invested too much time for that to happen.

I wouldn't trust any of this any farther than I could throw a 1500 page legal brief.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Su-tehp
I wouldn't trust any of this any farther than I could throw a 1500 page legal brief.

Uphill or downhill?

[Knight Templar]

i always took it to mean on a flat area.. and that he can't throw it very far.. so...

yeah

[Solatar]

Correct Su-tehp. I wouldn't trust this guy worth **** until he proved himself. Has he even said anything lately? He only had two or three posts.

I hereby declare this guy a troll, a liar, and a big f*ckin' bastard until he can prove himself. My rules, Guilty until proven innocent.

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by Su-tehp
I wouldn't trust any of this any farther than I could throw a 1500 page legal brief.

Originally posted by Sandwich
Uphill or downhill?

KT's right, I was thinking of a flat surface, not uphill or downhill. If it was uphill, the 1500 page brief wouldn't travel very far, regardless. And if I tried to throw it downhill, chances are with my luck, it would likely hit a passerby in the head and kill him (1500 page legal briefs are HEAVY!), which would make his family sue me for a wrongful death, in which case, I would likely lose my legal license and also be out my entire life's savings because I'd have to pay the punitive damages AND I'd still have to deal with a mountain of law school loans which I no longer have any chance of paying off because I lost the right to practice law because of the wrongful death suit.

Needless to say, 1500 page legal briefs and hilly terrain don't mix.

[Stunaep]

and if you threw it uphill, the book would most likely slam back on your head.

Kinda suicide then.