[CP5670]

The US is of course heading for ruling the world although they may not realize it themselves yet, but if they can conquer everything and hold it for a couple centuries, it will all be for the better anyway.

Ducks aren't bad at all either, though.

They didn't make this court by the way and does that give the right of every single american soldier to kill freely without being punished? Is that fair? Is it ok if Bush blows up countries killing billions and not be punished?

um, same reason as with anything else here; it's because they are by far the most powerful and nobody dares to stand against them, and therefore they can do whatever they please. (for example, the UN must comply with any US demand because if they don't have US support, they will lose almost all of their influence and become useless)

[Ulundel]

What about swans?

[Top Gun]

You Know some ducks have white heads and suffer terrible abuse from the green headded ones on the other side ot the lake

[CP5670]

perhaps ducks have their wars also...

[Stryke 9]

Dude! A duck war would be awesome! They'd have a built-in air force! Since they don't have opposable digits, the best they'd be able to do for weapons would be to drop fish on each other in air strikes and peck at random!

[vyper]

Originally posted by Top Gun


You naively speak as if the wealth that was plundered from the colonies was equally divided amongst the British People. It wasn't, they were nearly as harshly repressed and impoverished by this supposid democracy as the Indians and the Irish.
 

Here we go, the big bad evil empire that fuked everybody over. Lets get something clear: mainland Britain had the highest standard of living anywhere in the world during the empire. I will not deny the suffering of the lower classes, however I will not accept that the empire was the only cause. Plundered is also a very naieve term! The Empire was not built up through military power, as your description suggests, but rather through trade. Whether it is politically correct to say or not: the empire improved the lives of many nations that it opened relations with.

[phreak]

egg-bombing, crap-bombing... sounds like fun. we need this on PPV now.

[Dr.Zer0]

Originally posted by Carl
if the rest of you want to wait until saddam sneaks a dirty bomb over here, fine. but i for one would rather not die of cancer when i'm 20.

well that a good point, since I live in the east cost(the place with all the issues) if i get nuked I relly dont care since Im aledy dead and I  cant care since Im alredy dead i nthat case

[IncendiaryLemon]

to skulk to the originial question. yes.

 I was in washington for the largest demonstration since the Vietnam War.

[Stryke 9]

Dude! That pic's awesome!

[IncendiaryLemon]

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[Razor]

Originally posted by CP5670
The US is of course heading for ruling the world although they may not realize it themselves yet, but if they can conquer everything and hold it for a couple centuries, it will all be for the better anyway.
 

Oh man that's a good one. Hold it for a couple of centuries. Look dude. If that would happen (America pronounces it self the leading country in the world) and spreads it's imperialism and dictatorship, no country will accept it. You would be annihilated in matter of months because one single country (ok if you would be allied with England two countries) wouldn't stand the chance agains the other 6+ billion people. Oh yeah the nukes. Well they wouldn't help a lot because it would be the man power that would play the leading role so, they would most probably be useless. Ok let me give you an example. When we had to kick Milosevic out of the office after the elections in 2000, do you know what we did? About 6 million people came to Belgrade, infiltrated the capital (the building where Milosevic was) made chaos and Milosevic accepted the outcome. Milosevic was the supreme authority at that time. Think what would happen to America if it would get into the same situation. Boom goes the US.

um, same reason as with anything else here; it's because they are by far the most powerful and nobody dares to stand against them, and therefore they can do whatever they please. (for example, the UN must comply with any US demand because if they don't have US support, they will lose almost all of their influence and become useless)

No one can stand up against you? You think everyone in the world is chicken (not talking about the birds here) because you are the "Ultimate power in the universe". Pfffff... please. Ok my country stood up against you when you massacred us from March to June 1999 (hey isn't that the way of terrorism), hm ok lets mention Afghanistan since they attacked you hm if I can mention Iraq and maybe some other countries,..but I don't want to go back into the past much. The point is, if it's needed, every country will stand up against you.

[CP5670]

Oh man that's a good one. Hold it for a couple of centuries. Look dude. If that would happen (America pronounces it self the leading country in the world) and spreads it's imperialism and dictatorship, no country will accept it. You would be annihilated in matter of months because one single country (ok if you would be allied with England two countryes) wouldn't stand the chance agains the other 6+ billion people. Oh yeah the nukes. Well they won't help a lot because it's the man power here that would play the main role so, your nukes wouldn't help you out much.

Sure, because that would bring about the world government we all want anyway. Everyone is accepting it even today as it spreads right now; "imperialism and dictatorship" can spread much more subtly than you think, and those who do not accept it die. And history has taught us that manpower and fanaticism is next to useless compared to the same in technology and manufacturing; no mobs are going to stand up to nukes. Sorry, but "evil" sometimes triumphs.

No one can stand up against you? You think everyone in the world is a chicken (not talking about the birds here) because you are the "Ultimate power in the universe". Pfffff... please. Ok my country stood up against you when you bombed us from March to June 1999, hm ok lets mention Afghanistan since they attacked you hm if I can mention Iraq and maybe some other countries,..but I don't want to go back into the past much. The point is, if it's needed, every country will stand up against you.

Of course, because anyone who does oppose gets smashed up; Iraq can be made an example of here. The chickens are the smart ones here; the rest get brushed away. I'm not sure what your country is, but it either didn't actually do much or got in trouble. (e.g. Europeans today can speak out against the US but they don't dare to go beyond a certain point or actually take action) Ultimate power in the universe, no, but ultimate power in the world today, certainly, and there is precious little anyone can do about it. |>|-|34/2 the imperialistic horde!

[Bobboau]

if America realy wanted to rule the world, we could do it in a week, all we'd have to do is nuke France and Russa, then there'd be nobody with the firepower to even slow us down, the fact is we don't want to rule the world, we want to live peaceful lives with everyone else, and we want everyone to have the same level of freedom and happynes as we do, if there's a place were people are being beaten for listening to the radio, we want to go in and free those people,
in Iraq people people are drawn and quartered after watching there childeren ground into hamburger for knowing someone who has spoken aloud that they think it might be a good thing to consider someone other than Sadam as ruler of there contry. couple with that the fact that Sadam hates us for wipeing his ass across the desert last ten years ago, and his desire for nukes, and the presence of a great number of people willing to die to ensure than many Americans do so as well, and the ease by wich a nuke could be hiden on an oil tanker bound for New York and you can see why we don't want him in power.

also keep in mind the war never ended, we had a mear sece fire, not a surender, with the terms that he would not develop weapons of mass destruction, and let the UN inspect his contry for them. well, he didn't live up to that.

now, we need to do to Iraq what we did to Japan 60 years ago
(I'm not talking about droping the bomb, though it should be on the table, if only to scare Sadam)

[Top Gun]

Originally posted by vyper
Lets get something clear: mainland Britain had the highest standard of living anywhere in the world during the empire.

What a load of unbelievably inane drivel. I'm sure that The Super Rich of Britain lived in the Most Vulgarly Excessive way possible, that surpassed the super rich of all other nations and previous generation. The majority of the population was more impoverished than anyone else had ever been.

Originally posted by vyper
I will not deny the suffering of the lower classes, however I will not accept that the empire was the only cause.

Of course, the empire didn't make a scrap of difference to the lives of most of the British population (apart from strengthening the state, making it harder for them to revolt), it made a huge difference to the Lives of the people in the occupied territories though, a negative one.

Originally posted by vyper
Plundered is also a very naieve term! The Empire was not built up through military power, as your description suggests, but rather through trade.

Trade, yes, forced trade, and that counts as plundering. Any country which refused to trade was blockaded, bombarded and sometimes invaded. This trade starved most of Southern India and Island to death, because all of their grain had been "traded".

Originally posted by vyper
Whether it is politically correct to say or not: the empire improved the lives of many nations that it opened relations with.

What a load of complete crap, you're starting to sound like a daily mail columist now. NO IT DIDN'T. If by improved, you mean starved, impoverished, enslaved, occupied, humiliated then yes. Oh but it managed to convert them into Christians

[Top Gun]

Originally posted by Bobboau
if America realy wanted to rule the world, we could do it in a week, all we'd have to do is nuke France and Russa, then there'd be nobody with the firepower to even slow us down,

That's why Nuclear Submarienes were invented

Originally posted by Bobboau
the fact is we don't want to rule the world, we want to live peaceful lives with everyone else, and we want everyone to have the same level of freedom and happynes as we do, if there's a place were people are being beaten for listening to the radio, we want to go in and free those people,
in Iraq people people are drawn and quartered after watching there childeren ground into hamburger for knowing someone who has spoken aloud that they think it might be a good thing to consider someone other than Sadam as ruler of there contry.

Ooohh goodie, let's get all emotional to make up for the complete lack of coherence and truth:rolleyes:
 
 
Who helped General Pinochet and other right wing dictators in Latin America overthaw a democratically elected government?
 
Who indoctrinated and armed Al-Quaeda and taliban members to terrorize other countries?

Who uses chemical weapons on cililians in nations not hostile to them?

Who refuses to send their war criminals to justice?
 
Who sold Weapons of mass destruction to Saddam Hussain even after he attacked the Kurds?
 
Who armed those Kurds only to pull the plug at the last minute which resulted in their rout?
 
Who helped Saddam Hussian to take over the leadership of his party shortly after the revolution with full knowledge that he was brutal and corrupt?
 
Who, until recently has forced its minorities to live in humiliation as second class citizens?
 
Who assassinates political dissidents even though they're totally non violent?
 
Who still has Politicians in the Senate that supported thin oppression? (See who's Senator for north Carolina)

Who has religious fanatics in top government positions that anoint themselvs with cooking oil upon promotion, insist upon the covering up of artwork in their pressence, think dancing is sinful, think mensturation pain is caused by a lack of faith and can be solved through prayer and belive cats are servants of Satan?

[Shrike]

Originally posted by Top Gun
Who, until recently has forced its minorities to live in humiliation as second class citizens?

I don't really want to jump in here, but as a Brit, you have no leg to stand on for dealing with minorities.

[Bobboau]

"That's why Nuclear Submarienes were invented" good point, but my point that we could take over by force if we wanted to still stands

I was talking about the American people and why we want it, our government has done things we don't like, and those responcable are no longer in power (some of them anyway)

I was never well informed about the whole Pinochet thing, could you point me to some information on it, preferably not an anti-american novel

our suport for Sadam in the eightys was becase we thought of him as the lesser of two evils (the other being Iran), we were wrong, though I still think it would have been worse if Iran had concoured Iraq (then Saudi Arabia)

"Who has religious fanatics in top government positions that anoint themselvs with cooking oil upon promotion, insist upon the covering up of artwork in their pressence, think dancing is sinful, think mensturation pain is caused by a lack of faith and can be solved through prayer and belive cats are servants of Satan?"
you wouldn't be refering to Ashcroft would you?
I don't like him ether, wich is why I would like to get all the waring done quick so we can get a Democrat back in to fix all the stuff bush has ****ed up.

btw what are you talking about in that last one,"thin oppression" NC senators are Jesse Helms, and John Edwards, and while they both sound familiar, I don't recall what there known for (not being from NC it isn't supriseing)

[CP5670]

Who refuses to send their war criminals to justice?

eh? we decide what justice is.

Who, until recently has forced its minorities to live in humiliation as second class citizens?

 

Who assassinates political dissidents even though they're totally non violent?

Within the nation? It makes complete sense at any rate from their point of view, if they can get away with it.
 

Who still has Politicians in the Senate that supported thin oppression? (See who's Senator for north Carolina)

once again,

Who has religious fanatics in top government positions that anoint themselvs with cooking oil upon promotion, insist upon the covering up of artwork in their pressence, think dancing is sinful, think mensturation pain is caused by a lack of faith and can be solved through prayer and belive cats are servants of Satan?

I dunno, you?

[Bobboau]

and in responce to america suporting Al Qadea I will repost my breif essay on Afganistan and our involvement, if you feel I misrepresented anything plese point it out as I feel this is a fair representation of the situation

What is now known as the Northern Alliance and the Taliban (though they were largely on the same side at the time and the names didn't change until well after this period of time) were both backed by America when Russia invaded Afghanistan and imposed a communistic puppet government. After the forces we supported pushed out Russia, we soon cut our support(biggest mistake we ever made), because they had won the war and we decided (with help from other people) that we shouldn't impose our horrid democratic values on them. You know things like, equality for women, freedom, a central government, and roads, indoor plumbing... so the place was left to fester with fighting warlords and clashes between ethnic groups. Until the Taliban came into power a few years later
The Taliban came from refugee camps in the southern regions and in Pakistan were the deplorable conditions led to a general feeling of disparity and hopelessness (which nether neither the US nor any European country seemed eager to help in). In this squalor the Taliban (or students as I believe the word means in pashtu, a reference to there strict studies of the Qaran) started to take over. They brought the promise of peace and stability, what they failed to inform there fellow countrymen was that they also brought a hard line fundamentalist Islam that subjugating the entire population. After the Taliban started to take ground the feuding warlords formed the Northern Alliance and tried to fight them back, but the Taliban were being funded by the Pakistani intelligence service (ISI) which was largely in favor of the wahabi sect of Islam, and without support of there own the Northern Alliance lost much ground and the people of Afghanistan suffered under the strict laws of the Taliban. Because the Northern Alliance had failed to bring a government other than warlordism and the Taliban had succeeded, not to mention the fact that they controlled roughly 90% of the country, many nations began to deal with them. Such as the US, which had interest in shutting down opium, production and stopping the terrorist camps that were running in the country. The Taliban never had any intentions of dealing with the US but the US bought some cooperation from them on the Opium side, by 2001 opium production was nearly halted in Afghanistan thanks to the Taliban and aid from the US
However the fact that the Talaban's human rights violations especially towards women kept them from being recognized by any governments other than Iran and Pakistan, the NA was still fighting for freedom while the Taliban convinced the US that they could be a potential partner. The darkest hour of the Northern Alliance was on September 9th when two AlQuada assassins killed general Ahmed Shah Massoud in what was believed to be a preparation for the 9-11 attacks. Shortly thereafter however the NA got the supplies and support it needed from the US and pushed the Taliban from power across all of Afghanistan, there are however small pockets still loyal to the Taliban in the south/southeast.
Currently an interim government formed from the NA is being held together by the coalition forces lead by the US that supported the NA in it's victory over the Taliban. The goal is to have a fair democratic representative government that will insure peace stability and freedom for the people of Afghanistan,