[Petrarch of the VBB]

I have. Yesterday was a national day of action across the UK, against a war with Iraq. the media are trying to civer it up, but it happened. I went with a mate to Huddersfield, where we met up with a few dozen others and occupied the labour party office (w00t). However, all the MPs and officials had scarpered, so we stuck stickers on it instead. After a while more people gathered and we stormed the town hall, great fun, as we occupied the council chamber, and made damn sure they listened to our case. One of the best days of my life.

[Stryke 9]

Hell, no! I want nothing more than a long, devastating war, with the US getting its own fair share of the devastation. Right now, el gran dictator is in high power, and there's no stopping that psycho redneck- Ashcroft has revoked every single human and civil right this country ever claimed to have thought of first (and that includes air breathing, in much of the US) completely in the open, and still he's ****ign popular. If it takes the deaths of thousands to bring people to their senses and bring the new Hitler down, so be it.

[Petrarch of the VBB]

When you say the new hitler, are you referring to Saddam, or the devil himself, Bush?

[Stryke 9]

Bush. Saddam's his peoples' affair- if enough of them wanted him dead, he would be so in short order, and it's not the Amerikans' business to speak for them anyway. I find in unforgivably rude and arrogant to advocate the overthrow of any country one doesn't have to live in.

[Petrarch of the VBB]

I see, well I would agree there. I wasn't so much proteseting against a war, but against the prospect of a war in which thousands, maybe millions of Iraqi civilans would be killed, and achieves nothing other than the american super-corporations taking even more oil than they already have. We have enough problems in our own countries, without having to spend all our time and money on pointless wars.

[Galemp]

Oh God, another war thread... Before this gets locked let me say that the UN needs to take a role in international NON-PARTISAN peacekeeping and stop 'condemning' this act or the other.

And the US has the 8th highest standard of living in the world, not the first.

[Petrarch of the VBB]

Quite, I dont want it to become a huge debate, I just want to know if anyone has been protesting at all.

[Stryke 9]

...according to a UN poll, on other words a poll by an organization run by the US.

You know, technically, we have pretty much the worst health care of any first or second-world nation? Cuba leaves us standing.

And it'd take a mod in pretty serious asshole-mode to lock this. It's not spam, it hasn't come to any flaming at all yet, and the whole "I don't like political threads" excuse is just stupid. I don't like the Hot Women thread. Doesn't mean I trash it.

[Dr.Zer0]

anyone who is againsed ar has gotta get checked on, think about it, all ppl do is fight. So IMO yes but no, I think we should give that son of a ***** one last chance to let us check his weapons, if he dosent let us then do what we did to japan 60 year ago(atomics arnt nukes btw) adn drop a dozen atomics on his gay ass

[Carl]

if the rest of you want to wait until saddam sneaks a dirty bomb over here, fine. but i for one would rather not die of cancer when i'm 20.

[mikhael]

Originally posted by Abdul
if the rest of you want to wait until BUSH sneaks a dirty bomb over HERE, fine. but i for one would rather not die of cancer when i'm 20.

The logical conclusion of this is, of course, LETS DROP A BOMB BEFORE THE OTHER GUY.

[Bobboau]

I protest pasifism

[mikhael]

Originally posted by Bobboau
I protest paCifism

Good policy. Protest warmongering whilst you're at it. Neither extreme is of any use to either this country, or this planet.

[Su-tehp]

Bush and his cronies are completely irresponsible, contemptible and incompetent. We have an ongoing war with Al Queda that is not going well because we have STILL not been able to capture or kill Osama, so Bush decides to whip up a war frenzy to go after the guy who tried to kill his dad. Whatever.

Bush can't win the war on terror, so he decides to go after a completely different target that is simply NOT an immediate threat. Saddam knows that if he were to try and smuggle a dirty bomb into the US now while we are NOT at war with him would be suicide, because after he attacked us, we'd annihilate him.

But if we go to war with Saddam now, we'll lose all the needed support from around the world to go after Osama AND make it more likely that Saddam will use his weapons of mass destruction if he's in imminent danger of losing them or his life. Sure, THAT makes a lot of sense: start a new war because the old one isn't generating any more good press. Idiots. How about finishing the first war before starting a new one, folks?

God, I really wish Gore had won the election instead of Bush. (Oh, sorry, I forgot, Bush technically didn't win the election, he had it handed to him by the Supreme Court. My bad.) With things the way they are now, it's no wonder more and more Americans believe the country's headed in the wrong direction.

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Dr.Zer0
(atomics arnt nukes btw)

Uhm... pardon me??

[Carl]

Originally posted by Su-tehp
Bush and his cronies are completely irresponsible, contemptible and incompetent. We have an ongoing war with Al Queda that is not going well because we have STILL not been able to capture or kill Osama, so Bush decides to whip up a war frenzy to go after the guy who tried to kill his dad. Whatever.

Bush can't win the war on terror, so he decides to go after a completely different target that is simply NOT an immediate threat. Saddam knows that if he were to try and smuggle a dirty bomb into the US now while we are NOT at war with him would be suicide, because after he attacked us, we'd annihilate him.

But if we go to war with Saddam now, we'll lose all the needed support from around the world to go after Osama AND make it more likely that Saddam will use his weapons of mass destruction if he's in imminent danger of losing them or his life. Sure, THAT makes a lot of sense: start a new war because the old one isn't generating any more good press. Idiots. How about finishing the first war before starting a new one, folks?

God, I really wish Gore had won the election instead of Bush. (Oh, sorry, I forgot, Bush technically didn't win the election, he had it handed to him by the Supreme Court. My bad.) With things the way they are now, it's no wonder more and more Americans believe the country's headed in the wrong direction.

killing Osama isn't the primary goal of the war on terrorism. and if Gore had won the election he would have appologized to Osama after he blew up the WTC and offer to blow some more up for him

[Stunaep]

Atomic bomb - atomic bomb or A-bomb,weapon deriving its explosive force from the release of atomic energy through the fission (splitting) of heavy nuclei

Nuclear weapon - nuclear weapons, weapons of mass destruction powered by atomic, rather than chemical, processes. Nuclear weapons produce large explosions and hazardous radioactive byproducts by means of either nuclear fission or nuclear fusion.

hmm....

[Su-tehp]

Originally posted by Carl
killing Osama isn't the primary goal of the war on terrorism.

But it is one of the primary goals of the war on terrorism. Ask anyone if the war on terrorism will be won if Osama is not captured or killed, most, if not all, people will say no.

Originally posted by Carl
...and if Gore had won the election he would have appologized to Osama after he blew up the WTC and offer to blow some more up for him

Carl, you know, or should know, that this is bull****. Gore was one of the 10 Democratic senators to vote for the (First) Gulf War. He served in Vietnam, so you know he's not a mealy-mouthed pacifist. When the Serbian-Bosnia war was happening under the U.N.'s upturned nose, it was Gore who convinced Clinton to use American airpower and military force to force the Serbs to the bargaining table to sue for peace. He did the same thing again when Kosovo happened. I have absolutely no doubt that Gore would have responded to the 9/11 attacks just as Bush did. Anyone who doubts that doesn't know Gore's political record nearly well enough as they should.

[Stryke 9]

Carl, don't be silly. That sort of crap was SORT OF funny once, a long time ago, but now many people actually believe that ****, and it's just plain scary. And depressing.

Me, I don't think things would be much better with Gore. They really were about equally bad choices- remember, the entire philosophy of the election at the time was that we were choose the lesser of two evils. I think a bloody uprising would have been the lesser evil, personally, but you jerks all stayed complacent and now you're gonna get what you frankly deserve. I'm bunkering, for now. Let me know when people aren't imbecilic cattle, and I can come out.

[mikhael]

Originally posted by Su-tehp

 He served in Vietnam, so you know he's not a mealy-mouthed pacifist.

Where his DC connections got him duty as a war reporter/photographer. Anyone who doesn't know that doesn't know Gore's MILITARY record nearly well enough as they should. Lest we forget, neither Bush nor Gore served as a soldier. Bush was in, as I recall, the Air National Guard as, of all things, a pilot.