[Warlock]

Originally posted by Stealth


so the stars, the planets, the way everything in nature functions perfectly, all the details of every creation is not facts?  what is it then?  fiction?

i'm sorry but i'm just curious as to why some people don't believe that anyone/anything created the earth and everything on it...   i find it hard to believe that everything just "appeared"

... enlighten me

Easily done:

evolution

[01010]

Originally posted by Stealth


so the stars, the planets, the way everything in nature functions perfectly, all the details of every creation is not facts?  what is it then?  fiction?

i'm sorry but i'm just curious as to why some people don't believe that anyone/anything created the earth and everything on it...   i find it hard to believe that everything just "appeared"

... enlighten me

But if you look at what the scientists say (basically a counter-argument) it didn't just 'appear'. Big bang theory and all that.

Conversely, i'm curious that you CAN believe that someone/something created everything and while I don't deny that this could well be true you can't just accept it as is.

Like I've said before, I don't care for religion, I don't care for science, I accept things as they are when I can see that there is acceptable reason for me too.

I accept that I like to get pissed for example.

[01010]

Originally posted by Knight Templar
err. .. thats diffrent.. being "whooped" by god.


i guess it differs on your amount of entusiasm..

*wishes someone would try to convert me to a religon*

It's always fun to see how hard they try...

I got a great religion. S'called Danism. Basically you do what the **** you like for your entire life, live as a human, thinking for yourself, undiliuted by other 'bad' religions and such.

Plus, if your that worried about hell theres always the old "recant on my death bed" scheme. Your not insured against unexpected death though.

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by 01010

Plus, if your that worried about hell theres always the old "recant on my death bed" scheme. Your not insured against unexpected death though.

Ah yes, but Carlinism clearly dictates that we all get our two minute warning.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Stealth


so the stars, the planets, the way everything in nature functions perfectly, all the details of every creation is not facts?  what is it then?  fiction?

i'm sorry but i'm just curious as to why some people don't believe that anyone/anything created the earth and everything on it...   i find it hard to believe that everything just "appeared"

... enlighten me

Well God made everything just "appear"?

"First there was nothing..."
Then God said "let there be light and there was light"
etc
etc
etc

Now _that_ seems a tad bit illogical...

But if there was prove it wouldn't have "just appeared" because there was evidence on how it appeared. Therefor I believe in facts. Facts are proven, religions are not.

[01010]

Originally posted by Knight Templar


Ah yes, but Carlinism clearly dictates that we all get our two minute warning.

Well, I'll throw that in for free. I'm in a good mood.

By the way it's not pronounced as Daneism it's pronounced Dan-ism.

Now if you'll excuse me, this deity is off for a shot of something strong.

[Lonestar]

Hahaha, saying the world just "appeared" is like saying computers just "appeared" through evolution.

Funny thing about evolution, is it has ended. Do we see Apes evolving today? Is there an ape or gorilla out there with human traits besides physical ones? Sure they learn, but only when they are threatened and their way of life is changed. Leave them alone in the jungle though and i guarantee they will continue to live the same way as they have for thousands of years.

So evolution is a crock, otherwise it would still be happening, but there is no evidence of continued evolution is there?

So if you think our world appeared through a big bang, take your computer apart and see if it eveolves into a working machine al put together cause evolution took its course.

Silly humans.....

Oh and BTW, we are supposedly finding other galaxies in which a big bang is occurring. If this evolution theory is true, then other planets such as mars or pluto should show signs of the beginnings of life. I mean evolutionist theory is that evolving is due to habitat, so why hasnt any other planets created ice creatures, or why hasnt the universe created a being that can survive in space? I dare say evolution is not happening today, nor has it happened in the past.

We are the image of our creator, we love to create and design as a race of people. We are constantly looking for new ventures, and ways to spread ourselves across the universe.

Now for all you evolutionists out there, isnt it true to beleive in evolution is to have faith? Since there really isnt any proof we evolved from anything, it does take great faith to beleive in such a theory. Which in turn requires an open mind, therefore, to beleive in evolution and denounce their is a God is an oxymoron in itself. So either have an open mind and beleive both, or be closeminded and only beleive what you can see and prove. Evolution and God is unproveable (as of yet) therefore if your an evolutionist dont turn around and denounce God, it just doesnt make sense.

[01010]

Originally posted by Lonestar
Hahaha, saying the world just "appeared" is like saying computers just "appeared" through evolution.

Funny thing about evolution, is it has ended. Do we see Apes evolving today? Is there an ape or gorilla out there with human traits besides physical ones? Sure they learn, but only when they are threatened and their way of life is changed. Leave them alone in the jungle though and i guarantee they will continue to live the same way as they have for thousands of years.

So evolution is a crock, otherwise it would still be happening, but there is no evidence of continued evolution is there?

So if you think our world appeared through a big bang, take your computer apart and see if it eveolves into a working machine al put together cause evolution took its course.

Silly humans.....

I think your missing the point. The whole theory behind evolution is that it is driven by necessity over a huge period of time. Your not going to notice evolution in your lifetime or your childrens lifetime, but people are getting smarter and also taller. Can't remember where I read it but the average person is now at least 5 inches taller than the average person of some 200-300 years ago.

[Zeronet]

What to know a stupid theory?

First there was nothing, then there was something. Thats the big bang in a nutshell, course my way of explaining the fact that the big bang occured is God made it happen. Otherwise, why would matter just suddenly appear if it didnt exist before then?

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by 01010


I think your missing the point. The whole theory behind evolution is that it is driven by necessity over a huge period of time. Your not going to notice evolution in your lifetime or your childrens lifetime, but people are getting smarter and also taller. Can't remember where I read it but the average person is now at least 5 inches taller than the average person of some 200-300 years ago.

Ill tell you why we are taller, only the strong survive. Their genes survive the ages. We as humans destroy on a daily basis. In the past many wars were waged and the weak perished, therefore it makes sense only the strong ones are alive today and their ancestors.

Evolution cannot be proven, thats why its still a theory my man. God on the other hand has been spoken of before scientist were even called scientists. As i said to beleive in evolution means your openminded, so beleiving in God is not that far faetched from beleiving evolution or the big bang.

There is more proof in the world God is alive then their is of a big bang or evolution. (major flood over the earth has proven true, cities in which God supposedly rained fire upon has proven true and much more) So in a scientists perspective it is more likely God existed then the fact the big bang occurred or evolution took place to create us from apes.

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Tiara


Well God made everything just "appear"?

"First there was nothing..."
Then God said "let there be light and there was light"
etc
etc
etc

Now _that_ seems a tad bit illogical...

But if there was prove it wouldn't have "just appeared" because there was evidence on how it appeared. Therefor I believe in facts. Facts are proven, religions are not.

what the heck are you talking about?  you want evidence that there is a god, and i'm saying look around you... touch yourself, look outside, isn't that evidence enough?  we're living evidence!

Easily done:

evolution

isn't it amazing how a man makes up some idea off the top of his head, publishes a book or two about it, and later in his life even admits that his ideas were flawed and that he was wrong... but what do the gullible masses do?  because they're too simple-minded to think of anything else:  they say "yeah, there's a good idea, two molecules collided one day millions of years ago and formed the earth, and all the plants, animals, and people in it"

... that THAT "seems a tad bit illogical" (to quote Tiara)

[01010]

Originally posted by Lonestar


Ill tell you why we are taller, only the strong survive. Their genes survive the ages.

That my friend, is the theory of evolution in a nutshell.

Like I've stated before, I believe nothing without conclusive proof and if that makes me ignorant then so be it.

Personally I prefer my own "Wish everyone wouldn't get their ass in their hands over something that there is no conclusive evidence for" stance on life. If more people were like me, people would be too wasted to really care

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by 01010


That my friend, is evolution.

No its not, its natural selection. Not evolution. If there were no wars we wldnt be quandering over why we are taller, heck we'd be overpopulated. Besides the point, strong survive because they destroy better then the weak. Natural Selection my friend not evolution.

Like Stealth said, the theory of evolution has proven to be flawed, therefore your point has no point.

[Knight Templar]

No its not, its natural selection. Not evolution.

tis'


I smell another Religous debate...


Like I said, it all depends on your attitude; a certain point of veiw.

[Zeronet]

Seems a little far-fetched that everything in the world is merely chance, a lot of very improbable things created most species.

[Stealth]

Can't remember where I read it but the average person is now at least 5 inches taller than the average person of some 200-300 years ago.

perhaps, but there's a difference between saying "man has grown 3 inches in 500 years" and saying "fish have changed into apes which have turned into men" in 5000 years.  it's illogical... and why you can't see that i really don't understand.

see, because the earth is also getting hotter every year... did you know that?  because of all the atmosphere pollution, the earth rises (forgets how many degrees) as a whole every year.  now does that mean that it's "evolution"?  does it mean that the reason the earth is getting hotter every year is because evolution's taking place?  of course not!




of course it's a matter of opinion.

some people aren't smart enough to think past what most people believe, or what "sounds" logical... but hey.

now here's an idea.  if we keep it clean, no flaming, etc. perhaps the admins would allow us to form teams.

for example, those who believe in God/Christianity: (for example, myself, Sesquidpelian, Sandwich, and Lonestar)

and another team, of say, those who aren't of any religion/don't believe in God.  for example:  (Tiara, 01010, whoever else)

and only those teams are allowed to post in teh thread, and they debate it.  wouldn't that be awesome

[01010]

Originally posted by Knight Templar



tis'


I smell another Religous debate...


Like I said, it all depends on your attitude; a certain point of veiw.

Exactly, I'm not pushing the case for evolution by the way, it's just that what you say is very borderline and could be construed as evolution. It's all about context.

[HotSnoJ]

for example, those who believe in God/Christianity: (for example, myself, Sesquidpelian, Sandwich, and Lonestar)

Ahem! Ahem! Me too. I Christian right wing extreamist (as the libs say anyway). Me also a Rush-ite All who are not, will burn, very sad. Yes, very sad indead.

[Knight Templar]

for example, those who believe in God/Christianity: (for example, myself, Sesquidpelian, Sandwich, and Lonestar)

Thats perhaos the stupidest thing i've read in the last hour but it has merit.

Can I join in the crusdade agaisnt the unholy mus... Atheists? Pretty please?? I've spent all my life in a christian background/family. I HAVE TEH $|<1|_|_z


:thepimp:

[ZylonBane]

Originally posted by Zeronet
Seems a little far-fetched that everything in the world is merely chance, a lot of very improbable things created most species.

Given enough time, even the furthest extremes of the bell-shaped curve become virtual certainties.