[HotSnoJ]

Last night I was watching a program about Nero and how Rome burned. During the last parts of the program they were talking about how Nero blamed the Christians for the fire and why he would have chosen them for it. This I had no problem with because it's good reporting. Though since I read a book recently about bias in TV, the books name is "BIAS". So I was expecting the program to be more condemming of the Christians. Then much to my supprise they had a guy on there that said Nero might have been right. He said that a Christian reading the letters Paul and the others wrote to them spured extreamist/terrerist like feelings in them to burn Rome. He cited Revelations for this. Now I saw a few problems with this guy's theory.

#1 this guy is citing a book that was written (Bible scholars believe it was written around 69 A.D.) after the burning of Rome (about 64 A.D.). Now his threoy is invalid. loser.

#2 He and others said that the Christians were not Roman but Mediterranean something-or-other. Why would a bunch of these people move to Rome when they just could have stayed where they were? And why would a christian burn his home, friends, and family? Now I can see a few Mediterranean something-or-other's there to tell the Romans about Jesus.

#3 On top of all of this he had no, I repeat, no archeological evidence to support his claim.

His only source, the Bible.


There I think my thoughts are in order. I'll try to clarify if any have questions.

[diamondgeezer]

OK, just some quick ones for you:

Originally posted by HotSnoJ
#1 this guy is citing a book that was written (Bible scholars believe it was written around 69 A.D.) after the burning of Rome (about 64 A.D.). Now his threoy is invalid. loser.

Around 69 A.D. AROUND. Over the course of two thousand years, "around" could very easily be five years or more.

#2 He and others said that the Christians were not Roman but Mediterranean something-or-other. Why would a bunch of these people move to Rome when they just could have stayed where they were? And why would a christian burn his home, friends, and family? Now I can see a few Mediterranean something-or-other's there to tell the Romans about Jesus.

Same reason an Arabic chap would move to America, then hijack a jet and crash it in to a building. Religious extremism makes people do strange things.

#3 On top of all of this he had no, I repeat, no archeological evidence to support his claim.

His only source, the Bible.

Don't mean to tell you your religion, SnoJ mate, but aren't you' supposed to accept the contents of the Bible wihout question? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[HotSnoJ]

I forgot to tell you this.

At about the end of the program one of the "experts" said, "I find it harder to believe that the fire started by accident. Or that Nero ordered men to start them. I find it very easy to believe that some disgruntled christian started the fire". Not the completely right dialog but close enough.

[diamondgeezer]

Sorry SnoJ mate, but... could you explain the actualy point you're original post. I've looked, but I can't seem to see it...



BTW, how's FS3 comming along?

[HotSnoJ]

Don't mean to tell you your religion, SnoJ mate, but aren't you' supposed to accept the contents of the Bible wihout question? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes I am. But he was using a book that he thinks of as just a collecion of good stories, not to mention false.

Around 69 A.D. AROUND. Over the course of two thousand years, "around" could very easily be five years or more.

That is a really big stretch.

[HotSnoJ]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Sorry SnoJ mate, but... could you explain the actualy point you're original post. I've looked, but I can't seem to see it...



BTW, how's FS3 comming along?

You have to read my second post to see. At the end the only conclusion they came up with was that the Christians did it. Screams BIAS.

[diamondgeezer]

Originally posted by HotSnoJ
That is a really big stretch.

Not really.

Originally posted by HotSnoJ
At the end the only conclusion they came up with was that the Christians did it. Screams BIAS.

Perhaps it is. I'd need to see the entire show to make a judgement on that. But on the surface, it seems like as good a theory as any. And I'd like the world to see that Christianity is just as capable of nefarious acts of nastiness as the next major religion - do it some good, I reckon

[Bobboau]

beleve ... around... you know these sort of things take more than a day to write, so given the gaugeity of your experts in pointing the date I'd say a five year diference would be actualy more convenceing, as the person writeing it was still alive and may have been puting the final touches on it.
now seeing as his 'only' sorce of evedence is the Bible, i'm inclined to take his word with a grain of salt, but if you're willing to beleve God made the world out of mud from a river bank in six days useing only the bible as evedence, then I don't want to hear you complaining about people useing it as there only sorce of information when it doesn't serve you're perposes

also as per #2, I ask you why were there cristian missionaries in Afganistan, and Sudan, ect...

[Top Gun]

Irony is a wonderful thing, as a christian, you're rather 'biased' when commenting on this

[Sesquipedalian]

Actually, Revelation is generally agreed to have been penned circa A.D. 95 or 96.  The early date suggestion is based on very shaky grounds and disregards the external historical evidence entirely, and is not given credence by the overwhelming majority of scholars.

Just my two cents.

Anyway, is there a point to this thread?  Everybody has a bias.  I suggest getting used to it.

[HotSnoJ]

Originally posted by Sesquipedalian
Anyway, is there a point to this thread?  Everybody has a bias.  I suggest getting used to it.

I know everyone has bias. It's just that PBS only put at the end that a christian burning of Rome is the only logical theory to what happened.

BTW Dimond we still need to work out the story.

[diamondgeezer]

Yes. You put the conclusion at the end. That's how these things work.

[HotSnoJ]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Yes. You put the conclusion at the end. That's how these things work.

Damn* it diamondgeezer, I know that.


*sorry I don't use that often.

[diamondgeezer]

Your loss