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Offline Sandwich

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Win 98SE



There's your problem right there. While that may not be the source of the trouble, upgrade to Windows 2000 (or, if you absolutely must, Windows XP Pro - stay away from Home edition!). Both of those OSes are far more fault-tolerant, and considering that all of Sandra's warnings are hardware-related, both those OSes are much better at managing interrupts and the like all by their lonesomes. :yes: :nod:
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Windows XP Pro - stay away from Home edition


What? Why?

My friends and I have all been using XP home happily and problem free for a year. I think I've crashed the actual O/S, like, once. The few people I know with Pro have reported horrendous compatibility problems and suchlike. I know precisely one person who's used Pro on a home system and had no problems.

Moral of the story:

Go XP home! Woo!

 

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That'll be the solution, then.

 

Offline Petrarch of the VBB

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It's all very well saying upgrade the OS, but there's a matter of money involved. I am 15, can't be bothered getting a job, and don't have access to my bank account. Hence, no money.

Formatting the drive I will try only as a last resort, but backing stuff up is going to be a pain.

I don't think its spyware or a virus, but is there any decent Anti Virus software that's free? I am using PCCillin 2000 at present, and it's not very effective.

And I haven't added any hardware since I bought the machine. However, i recently got some drivers, enabling to use my CDRW, but I dont think that could be teh problem?

 

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You'd be surprised.   Nvidia's 30.72 drivers turned my machine into a restart monster.  Any way try and find an older version of the drivers you installed and try that.  Also, 4-5 months is about the limit Win98se can go with out needing to be reinstalled.  Other than that it's a good solid OS.
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Originally posted by Sandwich
*begins the OS bashing* ;)



There's your problem right there. While that may not be the source of the trouble, upgrade to Windows 2000 (or, if you absolutely must, Windows XP Pro - stay away from Home edition!). Both of those OSes are far more fault-tolerant, and considering that all of Sandra's warnings are hardware-related, both those OSes are much better at managing interrupts and the like all by their lonesomes. :yes: :nod:


Windows 98SE is regarded by most people as the best and most stable version of Windows.

Personally it's wayyyyy too much trouble in my opinion, I'm running ME and never had a problem ever.

Had XP pro for all of two days before I removed it.
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Originally posted by 01010


Windows 98SE is regarded by most people as the best and most stable version of Windows.



Windows NT is the most stable
(Linux is even more stable)


Windows 2000 PRO is good
Windows 95 sucks
Windows XP is based on NT
Windows ME sucks as bad as 95
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WinNT stable?  Ha!  Its not the greatest really.  Win2000 is the most stable platform followed by XP followed by 98SE.
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WinNT stable?  Ha!  Its not the greatest really.  Win2000 is the most stable platform followed by XP followed by 98SE.


Win2k has an NT core.
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2000 in based on NT. XP is based on NT/ME. 2000 and XP are the most stable.

95/98/ME aren't. 98SE is fine, in my opinion. Though not very stable, but good otherwise (I use it :p).

 

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WinNT stable?  Ha!  Its not the greatest really.  Win2000 is the most stable platform followed by XP followed by 98SE.


Win2000 is the most stable platform?

Win2000 = NT core (as kode said)
WinXP = based on NT too...

so they're both very stable, BECAUSE they're based on NT

 

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:rolleyes: Based, not based... that's not what makes an OS stable, guys.

NT/2000/XP OSes are all relatively stable (especially compared to the 95/98/ME line) because of their HAL (Hardware Abstraction Layer) and their protection of memory space.

The HAL is the "waldo glove" for any and all programs that request the use of any peice of hardware, be it playing a sound, rendering a D3D object, or writing to disk. No program can access hardware directly; all operations are routed through the HAL, which enforces legal and safe requests. I'd guess that this prevents about 40% of the crashes common to the 95 line of OSes.

However, the HAL is also why 2000 sucks in gaming performance (NT is unmentionable; XP's gaming is apparently good, but I'm unaware of how they sped up this area while maintaining gaming stability). Every game has an extra layer to push screen writes through, which slows things down by an annoying amount.

The second issue is the protected memory space. This basically prevents any old program from just accessing any area of the computer's RAM whenever it wants. Every program is kept in its own seperate memory section; if/when that program crashes, it does not take down the rest of the OS along with it. In fact, 99% of the time, when a program crashes in 2000 (due to bugs in that program), it is removed cleanly from RAM and the OS remains just as stable after the crash as it was before.

AFAIK, both those technologies were introduced to the Windows series of operating systems with the first version of Windows NT (3.51, I believe...?). The other line of OSes, actually starting at MS-DOS 1.0 (or whichever the first MS-DOS version was), did not have a significant change in core technologies until it was merged into the NT line in XP.

Yes, that's right. Windows 3.1 was DOS-based, as were 95, 98, 98SE, and  ME. All had DOS 16-bit crapola at their very core, although beginning with Win95, more and more parts of the OS were enhanced, if not completely upgraded, to 32-bit instructions. But they always retained that 16-bit compatability at the kernel level.



*sniff sniff*

Which is why C&C: Tib. Dawn doesn't work under Win2000... :(

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But it runs under XP - Yay!

Anyway, as to Pertrarch's anti-virus question - www.grisoft.com. One of the very finest pieces of freeware out there :nod:

 

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Originally posted by Sandwich


However, the HAL is also why 2000 sucks in gaming performance (NT is unmentionable; XP's gaming is apparently good, but I'm unaware of how they sped up this area while maintaining gaming stability). Every game has an extra layer to push screen writes through, which slows things down by an annoying amount.

Which is why C&C: Tib. Dawn doesn't work under Win2000... :(

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1st: Yes it can be a bugger for throughput from software to hardware, but if you've got a modern enough system s'all good! (not that I'd know I'm still running a k6-3)


2nd: Tried the application compatibility tools? Me never could get the tool to work but I'm told it do help sometimes! It'll be on the 2k pro cd somewhere
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does the windows95 edition of tib. dawn work on 2k, then?
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Offline Petrarch of the VBB

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Well, this thread is now defunct, as the machine now works perfaectly well.

I didn't do anything to it, either.

Although yesterday morning it would boot at all, so i wiped thr CMOS, it booted, but had the same problem as before, but today its fine. weird, no?

 

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:wtf: maybe a spider crawled into your computer and came out later... :D

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Yes, that's right. Windows 3.1 was DOS-based, as were 95, 98, 98SE, and ME. All had DOS 16-bit crapola at their very core, although beginning with Win95, more and more parts of the OS were enhanced, if not completely upgraded, to 32-bit instructions. But they always retained that 16-bit compatability at the kernel level.


This is the reason I am still using ME; I need those dos games to work... :D