[HotSnoJ]

I posted about this when the source code was very new.

[current tbl entry]

$Allowed SBanks:   ( "MX-50" "D-Missile" "Fury" "Interceptor" "Hornet" "Hornet#Weak" "Interceptor#Weak")
$Default SBanks:   ( "MX-50" "MX-50" )
$SBank Capacity:   ( 40, 40 )


[what could be done]

$Allowed SBanks:   ( "MX-50" "D-Missile" "Fury" ) ("Interceptor" "Hornet")
$Default SBanks:   ( "MX-50" ) ( "Hornet" )
$SBank Capacity:   ( 40 ) ( 35 )

In the second SBank only the Interceptor and Hornet are allowed.

do you get this? if not I'll post more.

[Sesquipedalian]

But why would we want to do such a thing?

[Galemp]

Interesting. This has possibilities, like the Y-Wing only being able to mount ion cannons on the top and lasers on the main guns.

[Joey_21]

How about an option to make this turn on or off if we want? Perhaps with some source tweaking the guys might be able to make it changable in FRED2 and in the mission source there can be something addable (similar to the beam-free-all default option).

[Sesquipedalian]

Well, the way HotSnoJ has outlined it, it wouldn't be an optional thing.  If we change the table parser to read that way, the old way won't work any more.  Sounds like bad news to me.

[HotSnoJ]

hehe forgot to add something.

Well if there wasn't a second () set then it would go for both of the weapon banks.

[if there was three SBanks, like on the Ursa]

$Allowed SBanks: ( "MX-50" "D-Missile" "Fury" "Interceptor" "Hornet") ("Bigbomb")
$Default SBanks: ( "MX-50" "Interceptor"  ) ( "Bigbomb" )
$SBank Capacity: ( 40, 35 ) ( 20 )

First two SBanks are in one () set while the last () set is for bombs

[WMCoolmon]

Just set the parser to repeat the allowed secondaries if none are specified for other banks. For example:

$Allowed SBanks: ( "MX-50" "D-Missile" "Fury" ) ("Interceptor" "Hornet")
$Default SBanks: ( "MX-50" ) ( "Hornet" ) ("Fury") ("Interceptor")
$SBank Capacity: ( 40 ) ( 35 ) ( 50 ) ( 20 )

Would have the following allowed:

Secondary bank 1: ( "MX-50" "D-Missile" "Fury" )
Secondary bank 2: ("Interceptor" "Hornet")
Secondary bank 3: ( "MX-50" "D-Missile" "Fury" )
Secondary bank 4: ("Interceptor" "Hornet")

[Sesquipedalian]

If someone wants to try it, fine.  But it better not break backwards compatibility.

[Shrike]

Originally posted by Sesquipedalian
But why would we want to do such a thing?

I've always wanted to make ships that carried weapons in specific locations, for example a ship that carries a single very heavy weapon and a set of normal weapons.

[Zarax]

Good.
This is a feature i've always been looking for...
Now, would be great if it could be done also for primaries...
I'll be really pleased if i could have a fixed 3rd primary with aketons, ala B-wing...

[IceFire]

Provided that it doesn't prevent us from doing things the other way...this is a great feature.

[Inquisitor]

That is the philosphy

[WMCoolmon]

Originally posted by IceFire
Provided that it doesn't prevent us from doing things the other way...this is a great feature.

Does anyone read my posts, or was I just not clear on that?

What I'm saying if that there are less sections of allowed weapons than there are banks, then the parser repeats the existing allowed weapons for the rest of the SBanks. So if your fighter has four secondary banks, and you entered one group of allowed weapons, all four banks would have the allowed weapons specified in that group. If there were 2 groups, then banks 1 & 3 would use the first group of allowed weapons, and 2 & 4 would use the second group of allowed missiles.

This would imitate how the original tbls handled allowed weapons. The parser, though, would have to check to see which way it was set, which could be a pain

Perhaps FS2_open TBL files could have a version header at the top to denote what FS2_Open version is required?

[Goober5000]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon
The parser, though, would have to check to see which way it was set, which could be a pain

Perhaps FS2_open TBL files could have a version header at the top to denote what FS2_Open version is required?

Although it might be a bit of work (I don't think it would be a pain) to have the parser check which way the table entry was set up, it would be well worth it.  User-friendliness is A-1 SUPAR.  Version headers aren't necessary, methinks, and everyone is going to want to use the latest version anyway.

[Bobboau]

I'm gona give this a shot, if you don't give compatability for a bank it will set that bank to what ever the first one was

[Bobboau]

ok how are we going to handel the load out screen? this needs a totaly new system seing as weapons are given a flag as being used or not for the entire ship

[HotSnoJ]

I was sorta thinking dropdown menus.

Or if it doesn't stay in the slot then it must not be able to go there (that somewhat from a gamers view).

Anyway I thought of a new-er system to support older tables (back compatability).

[ship with three SBanks]

$Allowed SBanks: ( "MX-50" "D-Missile" "Fury" "Interceptor" "Hornet")
        +SBank0: ("Fury" "MX50")   ;;if not set (written) then unwitten bank can hold weapons flaged in "$Allowed SBanks"
        +SBank2: ("Bigbomb")
$Default SBanks: ( "MX-50" "Hornet" "Fury")
        +Sbank1: ("Interceptor")
$SBank Capacity: ( 40 ) ( 35 )


So as you can see the second bank (SBank1, not written) can hold all of the weapons flaged in $Allowed SBanks:, and $Default SBanks: would acst somewhat the same.


BTW Bobboau think you could try this with primarys too?

[Goober5000]

It shouldn't need a totally new system.

Simply duplicated the "allowed weapons" array for each bank, and leave the loadout screen as it was before.  If a player tries to drop a weapon on the wrong bank, pop up a message that says "This bank is unable to carry [blank] weaponry."  Should be straightforward.

[Sesquipedalian]

*Warming to the idea now that it's been thought through a little better*

[HotSnoJ]

Originally posted by Goober5000
It shouldn't need a totally new system.

Simply duplicated the "allowed weapons" array for each bank, and leave the loadout screen as it was before.  If a player tries to drop a weapon on the wrong bank, pop up a message that says "This bank is unable to carry [blank] weaponry."  Should be straightforward.

Thats exactly what I was thinking!