[mikhael]

Originally posted by venom2506

You're the ne to complain about LW having troubles calculating a triangulated mesh in the viewport. Seems Max code is optimized enough to allow both modelus within the same exe, and there's no need to find why they're separated in LW ( I know, that was a low blow ).

Actually, I was complaining that the conversion of a file from 3dsMax to Lightwave triples the polygons and thus more than doubles the ancillary data. Lightwave has no trouble with the mesh itself.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Ten of Twelve
try max4. it 0wns

no. interesting evolutions of max: between max 1 and 2, muchos evolution. up to max 4.3, it's just code optimisation and a few tools added. between max4.3 and max5, other real evolution, real code improvement, new renderer finally up to the LW one, lots of really new tools, lots of UI improvements ( gotta love the new move/scale/rotate gizmos ). Max bad point is it doesn't evolve much, they only have one true evolution once in a while, should max5 is basically a true Max3  in my mind.

[Ulundel]

Originally posted by mikhael


You going to give me your legal copy? I paid for my Max and Lightwave.

no. I said try

and I'm gonna try out max 5 soon...

[mikhael]

Originally posted by Ten of Twelve


no. I said try

and I'm gonna try out max 5 soon...

I tried Max3 by buying it. Same with Lightwave and Truespace.

[Ulundel]

Originally posted by mikhael


I tried Max3 by buying it. Same with Lightwave and Truespace.

yeah, and I'm gonna try it by ordering the demo disc. i don't see any problems here

[mikhael]

Originally posted by venom2506


no. interesting evolutions of max: between max 1 and 2, muchos evolution. up to max 4.3, it's just code optimisation and a few tools added. between max4.3 and max5, other real evolution, real code improvement, new renderer finally up to the LW one, lots of really new tools, lots of UI improvements ( gotta love the new move/scale/rotate gizmos ). Max bad point is it doesn't evolve much, they only have one true evolution once in a while, should max5 is basically a true Max3  in my mind.

Ah there, we go, ToT, I don't need to try Max4 because it still sucks. I trust Venom on this.

I'll stick with Lightwave.

[Nico]

Originally posted by mikhael

Ah there, we go, ToT, I don't need to try Max4 because it still sucks. I trust Venom on this.

I'll stick with Lightwave.

never said it sucked said it wasn't much of an improvement over max 2 and 3, which didn't suck ( hmm, max3 had some serious flaws tho )
anyway, max5 is really awesome.

[mikhael]

Originally posted by venom2506


never said it sucked said it wasn't much of an improvement over max 2 and 3, which didn't suck ( hmm, max3 had some serious flaws tho )
anyway, max5 is really awesome.

Yes you did, see:

up to max 4.3, it's just code optimisation and a few tools added.

You said that between 3 and 4.3 they didn't change much. Since I have 3.1 and it sucks, and it didn't change much, up to 4.3 must still suck.

I'll try Max5 when I have a job again. Until then, its just Lightwave6 for me (oh, how I suffer. NOT.)

[Nico]

Originally posted by mikhael


Yes you did, see:

You said that between 3 and 4.3 they didn't change much. Since I have 3.1 and it sucks, and it didn't change much, up to 4.3 must still suck.

I'll try Max5 when I have a job again. Until then, its just Lightwave6 for me (oh, how I suffer. NOT.)

well, even if you think that it sucks, that doesn't mean it sucks, if you het what I mean I definitively hate LW ( tried again the other day with killmenow ), but it doesn't mean that it sux that's not true it sux it sux it sux LW is crap it sux!!!. Never say that another package sux just coz you don't like me, do as I do but still LW sux!!! What? I need to grow up? shut up!

[Stryke 9]

Lightwave and MAX are pretty much neck-in-neck as far as features go. MAX is a bit more versatile, with its greater number and variety of plugins, but it's more expensive, too. LightWave, you start out with most of the things you'll ever need, but if you want to addon you'll have more trouble finding good, cheap plugins. LightWave also has better particles, while MAX has better modeling tools, but one can fill in that gap more or less easily on either one.

I'd use LightWave, if only the interface wasn't Greek to me, but that's just because I'm not prepared to pay for, well, either (but MAX much less so), and because MAX uses Cdilla, which is the software of the Antichrist (and damnably hard to keep hacked, too).

[Ulundel]

Just got max 5 and it really 0wns.

[mikhael]

Originally posted by venom2506


well, even if you think that it sucks, that doesn't mean it sucks, if you het what I mean I definitively hate LW ( tried again the other day with killmenow ), but it doesn't mean that it sux that's not true it sux it sux it sux LW is crap it sux!!!. Never say that another package sux just coz you don't like me, do as I do but still LW sux!!! What? I need to grow up? shut up!

you don't get what I'm saying, Venom. I'm not saying it sucks because you like it. I'm saying that Max3 sucks and that you said that Max4 was about the same as Max3. Thus, for me, Max4 will suck as much as Max3, get it?

oh, and btw:

Lightwave doesn't suck, you undereducated euromonkey. It rocks the house. Your brain is just insufficiently advanced to appreciate its greater transcendent perfection. this is what is called "humor" in my country

[Deepblue]

Yikes! Modeling flame-war.

[WMCoolmon]

3DS Max Lightwave

[CP5670]

I like 3DS max 4 better than Lightwave 6.5 because I was actually able to draw and render some untextured cubes and polygons in max, whereas I was not able to do anything at all in Lightwave aside from fiddling with the icons. I think I better just stick to Mathematica...

[Nico]

Originally posted by mikhael


you don't get what I'm saying, Venom. I'm not saying it sucks because you like it. I'm saying that Max3 sucks and that you said that Max4 was about the same as Max3. Thus, for me, Max4 will suck as much as Max3, get it?

oh, and btw:

Lightwave doesn't suck, you undereducated euromonkey. It rocks the house. Your brain is just insufficiently advanced to appreciate its greater transcendent perfection. this is what is called "humor" in my country

My lazyness prevents me from writing an uterly stupid answer filled with the "sux" word... I do have that answer in mind, but my hands just won't obey to my brains!!! Is it my brains or my hands that are insufficiently advanced, I wonder?
Oh: Max owns, just coz I poped up more models than you did with LW, mwahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHA.
please note it is 9.37 PM right now, I got up 37 minutes ago... please don't be too arsh to me

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by WMCoolmon
3DS Max Lightwave

LOL!! Voted Best Use of a Smiley - Ev412!

[Ulundel]

Originally posted by mikhael
Lightwave doesn't suck, you undereducated euromonkey. It rocks the house. Your brain is just insufficiently advanced to appreciate its greater transcendent perfection. this is what is called "humor" in my country

Oh we all know that humor...

[Deepblue]

Originally posted by venom2506


My lazyness prevents me from writing an uterly stupid answer filled with the "sux" word... I do have that answer in mind, but my hands just won't obey to my brains!!! Is it my brains or my hands that are insufficiently advanced, I wonder?
Oh: Max owns, just coz I poped up more models than you did with LW, mwahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHA.
please note it is 9.37 PM right now, I got up 37 minutes ago... please don't be too arsh to me

Lessee I am starting to lean towards Max because I am very impressed with Venoms models (love dat benkie and ezechiel). Better pick up the pace on the Lightwave argument. Showing me some nice lightwave models (that work in FS2) might convince me otherwise

Quote:
3DS Max Lightwave
end quote.

[mikhael]

Go with Max.

Afterall: Venom couldn't POSSIBLY have that sort of talent. It must by the modelling program right?

I gave you good arguments against Lightwave earlier. That, and the good stuff you've read about the package, should tell you what you need to pick.