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Offline diamondgeezer

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on: December 15, 2002, 01:20:05 pm
OK... so Jackson had to make some cuts and compromises to squeeze LOTR on to a forty-foot wide screen... but why, exactly, has the character of Elrond Half-elven been so badly screwed up? Why does Elrond spend most all his time in Fellowship (and TT by the looks of things) b1tching about how rubbish Men are? I mean, he's half Man himself, his grandfather was Tuor the Mighty, his brother Elros chose to be a mortal and was appointed king of Numenor, and quite frankly if it wasn't for Gondor, Imladris and Lorien would have gone under a long time ago. I really don't understand the point of what they've done to him...

That, and swapping Glorfindel for Arwen... grr...
 

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Reply #1 on: December 15, 2002, 01:25:12 pm
Bah - I thought this was a ***** about how his actor was forever tainted by his role in the Matrix. :D
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Reply #2 on: December 15, 2002, 01:26:30 pm
What? No way - Hugo Weaving 0wnz j00!
 

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Reply #3 on: December 15, 2002, 01:43:41 pm
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What? No way - Hugo Weaving 0wnz j00!


I surely never pictured Elrond like him anyway. only elve that looks right in the movie is kate blanchett and the guy who plays Legolas anyway, all the others were poor actor choices that look nothing like elves ( or half elves ) are supposed to be.
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Reply #4 on: December 15, 2002, 04:03:18 pm
Acually men Elves etc all should look the same (ie no pointy ears) etc acording to Tolkien himself. Take the wizards for instance: First they were thought to be men (when they arrived), then when they didn't age, men took them for Elves. Kinda hard to do if the two races look different.

Personally I like the way the Elves are done but I feel that the prevous paragraph should be noted.
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Reply #5 on: December 15, 2002, 04:30:57 pm
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Acually men Elves etc all should look the same (ie no pointy ears) etc acording to Tolkien himself. Take the wizards for instance: First they were thought to be men (when they arrived), then when they didn't age, men took them for Elves. Kinda hard to do if the two races look different.

Personally I like the way the Elves are done but I feel that the prevous paragraph should be noted.


disregarding the ear thing, elves are supposed to be all ubber beautiful in a "strange" way.
Back to the ear thing, i think a proof that exists ( they don't age ) has more impact that a proof that doesn't exist ( they don't have pointy ears ). They're different than humans, and all humans don't know that much about elves, so... her... I lost track on the subject. never mind :p
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Reply #6 on: December 15, 2002, 06:50:25 pm
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disregarding the ear thing, elves are supposed to be all ubber beautiful in a "strange" way.


Um.. where was this in the Silmarillion?

DG: The whole dislike Elrond has for Man is pretty much laid out in the Silmarillion. Elrond might be half-human, but more importantly he's half-ELVEN. The Elves were never well pleased by Iluvatar's idea that the world was meant for Men and not for them.
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Reply #7 on: December 15, 2002, 11:39:13 pm
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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
That, and swapping Glorfindel for Arwen... grr...


Hey, I always said that fantasy (and sci-fi as well) could use more strong-willed female characters. I got no beef with swapping Glorfindel for Arwen. :)

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Bah - I thought this was a ***** about how his actor was forever tainted by his role in the Matrix.


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What? No way - Hugo Weaving 0wnz j00!


Indeed. Hugo Weaving is the ****!

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Who da man? Yoda man... oh wait, wrong thread! Whoopsie!:p :D
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Reply #8 on: December 16, 2002, 02:34:35 am
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Um.. where was this in the Silmarillion?

I don't think it's ever sid clearly ( mmh, tho in one of the unfinished tales book it might well be, and I wonder at the begining of the LotR book actually ), but they're ALWAYS described as unaturaly beautiful etc.

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Hey, I always said that fantasy (and sci-fi as well) could use more strong-willed female characters. I got no beef with swapping Glorfindel for Arwen. :)
 


I do! Want a strong woman? Eowyn is well enough to please you, she even "kills" one of the badest guies in the book...
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Reply #9 on: December 16, 2002, 02:54:28 am
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I do! Want a strong woman?


*cough*
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Reply #10 on: December 16, 2002, 05:03:09 am
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*cough*


*looks at Tiara*

*looks at Tiara's battleaxe*

*looks back at Tiara*

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OT: Hey, Tiara, I've been meaning to tell you - when I was in Switzerland we passed by this factory called (guess what...) "Tiara" - I meant to get a pic of it but I forgot. :p
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Reply #11 on: December 16, 2002, 05:11:14 am
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OT: Hey, Tiara, I've been meaning to tell you - when I was in Switzerland we passed by this factory called (guess what...) "Tiara" - I meant to get a pic of it but I forgot. :p


:D

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Reply #12 on: December 16, 2002, 05:29:54 am
Wonder how Tiara would manage against a horde of Uruk-hai? ;)

I allready got my tickets for LOTR:TTT for thursday cause all of them got booked for the 18th. But only FOUR MORE DAYS! WEHOO!!!! :D

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Reply #13 on: December 16, 2002, 05:46:16 am
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Wonder how Tiara would manage against a horde of Uruk-hai? ;)


Easily done.  The benefits of elemental magic is quite substantial.
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Reply #14 on: December 16, 2002, 07:36:01 am
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That, and swapping Glorfindel for Arwen... grr...

think for once from the movieviewer pov. Introducing ANOTHER character, to the already large list of characters (it is a 500 page book, for petes sake) would make this awfully confusing, especially as Arwen had to be introduced. She had to have more screen time, otherwise, if there had been Glorfindel, Arwen would have had, what, 3 minutes of screen time?
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Reply #15 on: December 16, 2002, 08:21:07 am
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*cough*


mmh? sorry, barbarian-like girls with big axes do not appeal to me much ;) I'd prefer a Deelit or a Pirotess :p ( never mind
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Reply #16 on: December 16, 2002, 08:23:27 am
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think for once from the movieviewer pov. Introducing ANOTHER character, to the already large list of characters (it is a 500 page book, for petes sake) would make this awfully confusing, especially as Arwen had to be introduced. She had to have more screen time, otherwise, if there had been Glorfindel, Arwen would have had, what, 3 minutes of screen time?


only 3 minutes of liv tyler? yeah!!!!!! I wouldn't mind :doubt:
what with that crappy love scene anyway?
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Reply #17 on: December 16, 2002, 08:57:06 am
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mmh? sorry, barbarian-like girls with big axes do not appeal to me much ;) I'd prefer a Deelit or a Pirotess :p ( never mind


Barbarian? Me?

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Reply #18 on: December 16, 2002, 09:07:53 am
chopping my head? you wouldn't dare, that'd be a crime against humanity: a great loss for the world, plus many, many girls would die from sadness. you shouldn't do that ;)
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Reply #19 on: December 16, 2002, 09:43:22 am
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only 3 minutes of liv tyler? yeah!!!!!! I wouldn't mind :doubt:
what with that crappy love scene anyway?


Hey! I liked that crappy love scene!

Um... what I mean to say is... um, well, I guess I'm just a romantic at heart...:nervous:

*runs*

*runs back*

Hey, we're talking about romance here, right? Where the hell is CP5670 anyway? Shouldn't someone make some snide remarks about his affection for mathmatics instead of women?

*runs again*

I gotta wait until the 21st to see TT and I gotta get through three more law school exams in the meantime... I wanna go home...
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