[Star Dragon]

All my game resources Quote J.R.R. officially from the books/interviews/and discussions with his son christopher (who made a TONof money BTW)...

Here's that human you saw for like 5 seconds in the animation but might be in the third movie next year.

I never knew he was a POWERFUL spellcaster...



There are hundreds of examples like this and FYI... Q.)If the elves made magical items, Why couldn't anyone in Middle Earth?  A.) Only spellcasters could imbue an object to simulate a spell (weapons, tools, armor, ect...)... And BTW the ISTARI (Gandalf and the other 4) NEVER gave anything to anyone!!! The Valar god of magic taught the elves, and also was in their creation. They live, eat and breath MAGIC... D&D elves are retarded next to their Middle Earth "cousins"

Almost all the RingWraiths were powerful people [HUMANS] (with magical skills) before getting recruited by Sauron. The head nazgul also was a "student" for decades becomming as great a wizard as he was a wrrior cause Sauron wanted powerful lieutennants... Not wimps...

  Oh yeah and that chick Galadriel (the one that needs to EAT SOMETHING!)  at that time she was the greatest living elven spellcaster , even more powerful than Elrond.

Speaking of Elrond...HE cast that enchanmtent that if an evil creature tried to set foot in Rivendale, the very waters would rise up and drown them... Gandalf added the effect of teh white horses though cause he felt like rubbing itin to the Ringwraiths...

(I am NOT the master of Tolkien trivia but I know a damn lot about it)

[Nuclear1]

Elf.

Like its been said before: hot chicks.

Period, statement.

[diamondgeezer]

I suppose you're right - Sauron became great under Morgoth because of his abilities as a sorcerer... and the Mouth of Sauron was supposedly pretty hand with sorcery as well. No doubt the Nazgul knew a bit about it as well.

In the Silmarilion, the sorcerous abilities of Sauron's that we see are mainly illusions, deceptions and domination of weaker minds (including monsters such as werewolves, Sauron's trademark in those days)

[Shrike]

Human.......

[Nico]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer
(see Saruman and Caradhras)

Ah please not that! That's one of the parts I hate in the movie, coz Saruman has NOTHING to do with the Caradhras in the book, it might sound silly, but in the book the moutain is just upset, and that has nothing to do with Saruman.

I'll say nomore about the magic thing tho.

[diamondgeezer]

*last read the book before Fellowship was released, and doesn't really remember that bit*

[Stryke 9]

Undead.

[devours Shrike]

[Shrike]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Undead.

[devours Shrike]

*turns to holy water*

[Stryke 9]

That's your Judeo-centric type of undead, who're vulnerable to symbols. I'm a voodoo zombie, baby, ain't no stoppin' me...

[rampages]


Brains!

[Knight Templar]

Elves


the demon hunter was so 1337

[Fetty]

VORLON!!!!
cuz i get those cool living spaceships + im 100% pure engergy + everybody would see me as angel

[Sesquipedalian]

The difficulty with the discussion of magic and Elves in this thread is this:  For the Elves, magic is a meaningless term.  (Read FOTR in the passage where they are coming into Lorien.)  Greater powers are inherent in them than in, say, hobbits, but this blanketing word "magic" is strange to them.  For an Elf, these powers are nothing especial.  Different Elves will be good at different things, just as different humans will be good at different things.

Therefore, magic is not a useful term in the discussion.  The three Rings, for example, are forged and have their power because their makers put some of their own power/stength/essence/life-force into them.  Classifying things or people as magical doesn't really fit the "reality." Instead it bespeaks a hobbit's or human's ignorance.

[Shrike]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
That's your Judeo-centric type of undead, who're vulnerable to symbols. I'm a voodoo zombie, baby, ain't no stoppin' me...

[rampages]


Brains!

Fine then.

*pulls out shotgun*

Shotgun beats undead.

[Stryke 9]

[watches arm fly off]

Dammit, you're as bad as that Ash character I tried yesterday...

[watches arm crawl up to Shrike and start pummeling him]

Anyone got a needle and some thread? Or a stapler?

[diamondgeezer]

Sounds like you need a tube of No More Nails

[Levyathan]

Originally posted by venom2506
wouldn't be an orc, coz Tolkien orcs are gay

Heretic! HERETIC!!!

If Tolkien says orcs are dumb and weak, than orcs are dumb and weak, damnit!

Anyway, I'd be a human. Only way you could leave Arda and share of Iluvatar's existance. Isn't that just beautiful.

[JR2000Z]

I guess I'm a hobbit.

[Stryke 9]

It's okay.

[pats JR on the head]

[cracks open his skull, and feasts on his halfling brains]

Eh, I don't know if I like 'em "fun size".

[Grey Wolf]

I used to like Elves, but have now come to the conclusion that they are pansies.

GO DUNADAN!

[diamondgeezer]

Tsk. You wouldn't be saying that if you'd have seen the hosts of the Noldor arrayed in all their might. Even Morgoth got a little bit worried by them (though admitedly he was more scared of men, but only because he understood them even less than he did the elves)