[Styxx]

Originally posted by Levyathan
*has eighteen months before having to go to the army*

Actually, I don't know how it works around here. I might be able to stay out.

You probably won't have to go - they already have too many people, they're barely accepting people at the military academies, and those want to get into the army.

To everyone else: we have mandatory military service in Brazil, all men must serve one year in the military when they complete 18 years, unless they're the only son in a family, have some health problem, or there is already too many people serving.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by wEvil
provided boot camp doesnt kill them

God that's funny!!!

Boot Camp is pathetic in the US. The only ppl that can't handle it are the fat asses that can't handle PE class in highschool.

Besides, the US just went through serveral years of REDUCTION of the military (bases being shut down etc etc) and with costs of training (my AIT= advanced skill training, caused my tour to be a minimum 5 years total to make it cost effective) I don't see them pushing every person in the country through service even if it was a year long tour.

Now 2-3 years, would make since.
But let's not get our undies in a bunch over this crap, it's HIGHLY unlikely to ever happen

[wEvil]

actually a friend of someone quite close to me died in boot camp a couple of weeks ago.  Third (fourth?) person in as many months, too.

Its just not funny, man.

[mikhael]

Originally posted by Shrike
Everyone who supports this concept, I suggest you look at just how many people there are in the US.  Assuming 3 month tours of duty, the US's military size would double, and three months and out barely justifies the training - they'll spend as long or longer training than they will doing actual work.  A collosal waste of resources for little tangible gain.

If they all did Sandwich's 3 years, that's roughly twelve million people under arms.  You could have a world war with that many people.

Look, Isreal has something like 7 million people, right?  The US has 280 million.

What, feeling threatened?

They're not going to push every person  in the country through. They'll institute it as mandatory military service after secondary education. IE: when you graduate, you got to 2 or 3yrs of military service. Thus, you don't end up with 12million people in the armed forces.

Really Shrike, you're becoming addled in the head. You have to think through what you're saying before you post.

I agree wholeheartedly with Sandwich up there.

And my point about this being a deterrent to bloody-minded warmongering still stands.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by wEvil
actually a friend of someone quite close to me died in boot camp a couple of weeks ago.  Third (fourth?) person in as many months, too.

Its just not funny, man.

Don't take this as anything against your friend,.... but things do happen. It's not because Boot is too tough to live through no matter what anyone says.

When I was in a guy on base nearly died from the heat because he didn't speak up and say he needed to drink more water.

On the same note I've known of many events were ppl died doing normal every day jobs too.

Yes horrible things happen,....but it's seldomly the place they happen at that is to blame.


Again sorry about your friend.

[SKYNET-011]

Originally posted by wEvil
http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/12/29/mandatory.military/index.html

What about Canada? What happens to them?

*Loads Shotgun\Grenade Launcher*

*Charges Ion Cannon*

[Black Wolf]

Wow - I didn't know compulsory military service was present in many countries at all... I knew North Korea had it, and assumed a few others, but not Brazil and that...

[Levyathan]

Oh, yes. With all the recent wars we got into we have to be prepared all the time.

[Shrike]

Originally posted by mikhael
What, feeling threatened?

They're not going to push every person  in the country through. They'll institute it as mandatory military service after secondary education. IE: when you graduate, you got to 2 or 3yrs of military service. Thus, you don't end up with 12million people in the armed forces.

Really Shrike, you're becoming addled in the head. You have to think through what you're saying before you post.

I agree wholeheartedly with Sandwich up there.

And my point about this being a deterrent to bloody-minded warmongering still stands.

Who's the one who doesn't think?  The US's 1999 birthrate was a hair under 4 million people.  The math of everyone turning 18 doing three years under arms....... is simple.

[vyper]

"When you talk about a war, you're talking about ground troops, you're talking about enlisted people, and they don't come from the kids and members of Congress," he said.

Someone tell my why this fellow thinks everyone else in the world is so idiotic they need him to explain this?

The man's trying to say people are too willing to go to war because they haven't experienced that sort of thing. Well, I say thats a good sign that we've had no wars and besides national service won't give them real war experience.

I think this guy just wants noticed and deserves a good slap and told to go and write 100 times - "I must look out for the public interest"

[Top Gun]

It is a fact that America certainly hasn't been involved in any wars which have cost its forces severe casualties recently. It is also a fact that the American public are without doubt in support of Starting a war with Iraq and possibly North Korea.

I think he presents a rather good explanation of the virtues of the scheme from his point of view, be it in a devious way. Baring any idologies that might influece people otherwise, it is almost certain that people are will have less enthusiasm for waging wars if there in an increased chance they're going to participate, (and thus risk getting killed) in it. National service will ensure that should a war be waged, that those in fighting age will be more likely to see combat.

[mikhael]

Originally posted by vyper

The man's trying to say people are too willing to go to war because they haven't experienced that sort of thing. Well, I say thats a good sign that we've had no wars and besides national service won't give them real war experience.

Originally posted by mikhael

I don't think this guy is actually looking for mandatory military service. He's looking to raise a warning flag. How many mothers and fathers, brothers and sisters, will keep up their mindless warmongering chants, if its THEIR relatives that are going to be slogging in the (figurative) trenches? The average american citizen doesn't give one rotting rat's ass about who actually has to prosecute the wars for which they cheer. Seaman Ricky J. Recruit and Corporal Fred Mudfoot are faceless to them. Mandatory service puts a more immediate--more personal--face on the whole thing.

Oh, and Shrike, point taken. I still think you're addled though.

[Warlock]

Ya know though.... lets say for the sake of arguement this bill actually passes (mine you it's the children of Congress this guy says the reason for this bill is ... now WHO's gonna vote for it again  ? hmmm ) Anyways ... it passes... OK .... Congress feels that going to war for something, Iraq, North Korea, a new Ossama wannabe that's never been heard of that pops up next year and tries to nuke London,..whoever,... anyways... congress votes against war (think of the children! OURS!)

Two words destory the entire concept for this bill :

POLICE ACTION

Correct me if i'm wrong, but even if Congress says No the President still has the power to send in troops for like 3 months or so.

I mean all this POS bill will do is remove the offical title of "war" to a conflict,.......yea that'll change things.

[NeoHunter]

There are a few countries in the world which has mandotary military service. Isreal and my country are examples of mandotary military service.

I am currently serving in the Singapore Armed Forces until the year 2004. Every Singaporean male here from the ages of 18 to 20 are required to enlist with the Army for 2 to 2 and a half years. After that, they will become Reservists for the next 13 years or less. So far, I have already been with the Army for 7 months.

Not many of my people like to do this but we have no chioce. So, we just serve our term and then be over and done with it.

However, I think with the United States, it could be something else. Because the US government is out on a "crusade" to eradicate terrorism, there is a very high probability that young US males who go in will be sent abroad to US bases and most probably be involved in armed conflicts.

[Stryke 9]

... the difference being that many of these countries NEED a perma-draft to stay alive. The US doesn't.

Also, I absolutely don't believe in anything the US military stands for, and if they give me a gun, the very first thing I will do with it is find the highest-ranking asshole available and strike a blow for the Revolution.

[Anaz]

Stryke...that is the best path to ending up splattered all over the concrete somewhere...

just think of all of the documentaries that would be made about you...

I'm pretty sure you mean Stryke, not me.[/size]
yeah...I did...its just all you both have "s" names that rhyme...

[Zeronet]

Originally posted by StrykeIX
... the difference being that many of these countries NEED a perma-draft to stay alive. The US doesn't.

Also, I absolutely don't believe in anything the US military stands for, and if they give me a gun, the very first thing I will do with it is find the highest-ranking asshole available and strike a blow for the Revolution.

[Stryke 9]

But it's irrelevant anyway, 'cos even HE doesn't expect the bill to pass. For the very same reasons he wants it passed.

[Blue Lion]

I think a 12 million man army would kick ass, figuratively, and literally.

[Stryke 9]

Except that the sudden demand for 12 million weapons, and lack of a functional workforce (since everyone's in boot camp) would instantly cripple the economy.