[wEvil]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=624&e=2&cid=624&u=/ap/20030101/ap_on_sc/global_warming_species

[Mr. Vega]

sadness.....

Oh, and to top it off, Bush is letting snowplows into Yellowstone.

[Styxx]

Do you know that there's actually a quite large group of scientists that defends the theory that the only thing preventing an ice age right now is the sheer amount of pollution and heat generated by the human race? There's evidence that the sun is going through a low activity period (neutrino emissions are too low), and evidence linking such low activity "seasons" to previous ice ages. These "studies" that show up every day on newspapers about global warming never take into account a true geological perspective - they compare the global temperature with what it was a few years ago, and don't give a damn if a few million years back, with no "artificial" pollution whatsoever, the temperature was way higher than it is now.

Now, I'm not for pollution, nor against caring for the environment, but all these green hippies are yet to provide concrete proof instead of a collection of very loud screams accompanied by localized "evidence".

[vyper]

^^^ wot Mr. Sticks said

[01010]

Originally posted by vyper
^^^ wot Mr. Sticks said

Ditto

[Styxx]

Oh, and remember - there's pollution and there's Pollution. If you ask me about releasing untreated toxic or radioactive waste into the environment, dumping non-biodegradable (sp?) materials, or similar actions, you'll find out that I hate it as much as any other sensible person out there.

[Blue Lion]

I never really liked those animals anyways

[Petrarch of the VBB]

You can't deny dubya his "Right to pollute", now can you?

[CODEDOG ND]

what styxx and blue lion said.  

[Styxx]

Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
You can't deny dubya his "Right to pollute", now can you?

Quite the sentimental approach, I'd say.

[Mr. Vega]

Ok, good point.

But  letting snowplows into Yellowstone is definately not one of those things that might be helping.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Mr. Vega
Ok, good point.

But  letting snowplows into Yellowstone is definately not one of those things that might be helping.

Ok I'm confused....how's plowing snow in a park going to damage it's Eco-system ? Instead I'd think it would HELP by opening the paths during the winter to allow ppl to enjoy the park year around.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Styxx
Do you know that there's actually a quite large group of scientists that defends the theory that the only thing preventing an ice age right now is the sheer amount of pollution and heat generated by the human race? There's evidence that the sun is going through a low activity period (neutrino emissions are too low), and evidence linking such low activity "seasons" to previous ice ages. These "studies" that show up every day on newspapers about global warming never take into account a true geological perspective - they compare the global temperature with what it was a few years ago, and don't give a damn if a few million years back, with no "artificial" pollution whatsoever, the temperature was way higher than it is now.

Now, I'm not for pollution, nor against caring for the environment, but all these green hippies are yet to provide concrete proof instead of a collection of very loud screams accompanied by localized "evidence".

yeah, but a few million years ago, there were volcanoes everywhere , the changes were not done on two decades. Oh, you know, there was dinosaurs, too. To sum up: it was different.
If what you say about the sun is right, I guess we can "thank" it, or else it'd had us all toasted already?

[Petrarch of the VBB]

Originally posted by Warlock


Ok I'm confused....how's plowing snow in a park going to damage it's Eco-system ? Instead I'd think it would HELP by opening the paths during the winter to allow ppl to enjoy the park year around.

People tramping around the place is going to damage it eco-system! Particulalry if they litter everywhere.

[Styxx]

Originally posted by venom2506
yeah, but a few million years ago, there were volcanoes everywhere , the changes were not done on two decades. Oh, you know, there was dinosaurs, too. To sum up: it was different.
If what you say about the sun is right, I guess we can "thank" it, or else it'd had us all toasted already?

I'm not talking about periods of high volcanic activity - those happen even nowadays, and a big eruption throws more pollution into the atmosphere than a whole year of factories worldwide doing it. I'm talking about the sun being hotter than it is now than it was when there weren't ice ages happening, and the logic conclusion that we should be experiencing an ice age right now.

You may thank the sun if you want - even though these cycles can last for tens of thousands of years. The point is, there's nothing we can do to change the way the sun works but, if this theory is right, if it wasn't for the ammount of heat and pollution our industrialized society is producing, everyone that's out of the equatorial zone would be freezing by now.

Oh, and the hypocrisy of these green-hippies is just disgusting. I'd disagree with them just for the hell of it.

[Petrarch of the VBB]

Well you would support industry and all that crap as you are the Evil Capitalist. I however am more of a Tracer tong at heart, not happy with technology but quite happy to use it.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB


People tramping around the place is going to damage it eco-system! Particulalry if they litter everywhere.

Heh ok I'll give ya that one

[Styxx]

Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Well you would support industry and all that crap as you are the Evil Capitalist. I however am more of a Tracer tong at heart, not happy with technology but quite happy to use it.

So get back to your games and quit the whining.

[Petrarch of the VBB]

I'll complain if I want to, I find it comforting, in this world of exploitation, commercialism, poverty, disease, and worst of all... POP MUSIC!

[IceFire]

Hit it on a nail Styxx.

Plenty of times during Earth's history has the overal temperature been higher than it is today.  Remnants of palm tree's have been found frozen in the arctic circle and there have been all kinds of species shifts for as long as this planet has been around.

The fear is that humans could disrupt the natural cycle of the planet.  Creating a runaway greenhouse effect would not be a good thing at all.  The greenhouse effect itself is not necessarily harmful because if you melt the icecaps, its not too long after that that the planet actually starts to cool.

The middle ages actually experienced a mini-iceage.  We're now only a few centuries out of that.  Warming is to be expected.

Now...even despite all of these natural cycles.  Dumping toxic waste, overpopulating the planet and polluting the ozone layer is not good...not good at all.  It needs to be seriously curtailed..