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For explosive scale, if a dollar bill were to anhilate itself with an equal amount of anti-matter, the resulting release of energy would be more than capable of incinerating the entire earth.
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Good grief, hasn't anyone ever taken physics?  People seem to WAY overestimate how powerful antimatter is.

A proton has an atomic weight of 928.2723 MeV.  There's 6.02E23 protons in one gram of hydrogen.  An Electron Volt (eV) is 1.6022E-19 Joules.

Everyone can do the math themselves.  It's a lot of bang per unit mass, but not the world-destroying yield some people believe.
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unless the ship was built quick fast in times of war and is barely finished when leaving space dock?

 

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Good grief, hasn't anyone ever taken physics?  People seem to WAY overestimate how powerful antimatter is.

A proton has an atomic weight of 928.2723 MeV.  There's 6.02E23 protons in one gram of hydrogen.  An Electron Volt (eV) is 1.6022E-19 Joules.

Everyone can do the math themselves.  It's a lot of bang per unit mass, but not the world-destroying yield some people believe.


Sorry to further derail the subject Sandwich but it's even easier than that.

E=MC^2 goes on mass. You only need avagadro's number and the weight of a proton etc to calulate the energy release per atom. Since we are talking about kilogram weights we can dispense with that and plug the numbers straight into the equation.

The yield of 2kg matter/antimatter weapon would be 1.8x10^17 Joules which works out as  around 43 Megatons (roughly equivalent to a modern day H-Bomb).

That's for a bomb weighing as much as big bag of sugar in your kitchen. Obviously a dollar bills worth would be much less destructive.

Anyway now it's time to go back to discussing Sandwich's lovely cruiser model :)

I love the corridor but what are the handle things on the sides for? Are they simply handles for zero G manouvers or are the handles for lockers. I gotta know :)
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Possibly storage lockers?

 

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Probably used for zero-G movement as well as panels to open and expose electronics so that they can be reached. (no damn tubes like in Star Trek, they don't really make sense)
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Nice work :yes:

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This is what I was going to do in the worldcraft project, build the ninside of a fenris, but you ignored me, you gits!

 

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Sorry to further derail the subject Sandwich but it's even easier than that.

E=MC^2 goes on mass. You only need avagadro's number and the weight of a proton etc to calulate the energy release per atom. Since we are talking about kilogram weights we can dispense with that and plug the numbers straight into the equation.

The yield of 2kg matter/antimatter weapon would be 1.8x10^17 Joules which works out as  around 43 Megatons (roughly equivalent to a modern day H-Bomb).
Yeah, it's easier to do E=MC^2, but using my method you can also figure out the effective yield from a given mass of any other reactant as well, such as deuterium-deuterium fusion, etc.

Anyhow, 43 megatons is NOT equivalent to a modern-day thermonuclear weapon.  The largest nuke ever lit off was 56 MT, most (maybe even all) nuclear weapons produced since the 70s have been in the kilotons.  It's in the same range, but still packs far more punch that any production weapon - the largest of which I believe were 9 MT.
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I love the corridor but what are the handle things on the sides for? Are they simply handles for zero G manouvers or are the handles for lockers. I gotta know :)


Actually, I'm not sure. I originally got the idea from the second movie screenshot in my post; if you look immediately to the right of the guy's belt, you'll see what looks like a flattened handle in the bulkhead. I tried to model it as a handle, but since I had originally started working with the base units as meters (for the Fenris model), modelling something at the millimeter level was highly unsuccessful - I guess Rhino has issues with teeny-tiny polygons that do not align directly with any of the 3 axes.

So anyway, I decided heck with the flattened thing, I'll make 'em basic handles. :nod: Modelling the rest of that corridor will be fun (actually it's just modelling a single support arch, like I've done, as well as the wall sections between the arches, and then copy-pasting like mad). I'd _love_ to eventually see this as a Serious Sam level!

If anyone wants to take a shot at making basic textures of anything internal - floors, walls, signs, etc - I'd be much obliged. I can't create textures to save my life! :doubt:
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Actually, I'm not sure. I originally got the idea from the second movie screenshot in my post; if you look immediately to the right of the guy's belt, you'll see what looks like a flattened handle in the bulkhead.


mmh, unless we're not talking about the same thing, I think your flatened handle is the end of some kind of that groovy tube that you can see better on the other pics.
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mmh, unless we're not talking about the same thing, I think your flatened handle is the end of some kind of that groovy tube that you can see better on the other pics.


That yellow tube? Nope, I'm not quite that blind. :p Here's what I meant.
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Yeah, it's easier to do E=MC^2, but using my method you can also figure out the effective yield from a given mass of any other reactant as well, such as deuterium-deuterium fusion, etc.

Anyhow, 43 megatons is NOT equivalent to a modern-day thermonuclear weapon.  The largest nuke ever lit off was 56 MT, most (maybe even all) nuclear weapons produced since the 70s have been in the kilotons.  It's in the same range, but still packs far more punch that any production weapon - the largest of which I believe were 9 MT.


Well we are dealing mostly with non-scientists here so it's better to give the simplest solution :)

When I said Modern H-Bomb I meant what we can build now rather than what is normally used in the military (From what I could find on the net at the time the largest nuke in still in use in the US is around 1.8 megatons but most of the weapons in use are measured in kilotons). I think the largest H-bombs have a yield of twice that of my 2kg antimatter bomb.
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That yellow tube? Nope, I'm not quite that blind. :p Here's what I meant.


no, not that one, a very big horizontal one with dark copper-like colours, and a glowy bit coming out of it. it has a sort of half circlet at its end. there's a blue and yellow panel on that tube, too
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no, not that one, a very big horizontal one with dark copper-like colours, and a glowy bit coming out of it. it has a sort of half circlet at its end. there's a blue and yellow panel on that tube, too


Ok, fine, I see the one, but I don't see how you thought that what I ended up circling in the attachment was somehow the end of that tube.

Whatevers - completely unimportant.

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look again. for exemple, on the side shot, behind the running guy, the end of the tube that is behind him, there's a big metalic part that cuoold look like that handle. bah, never mind. I can't see the handle you're talking about anyway.
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look again. for exemple, on the side shot, behind the running guy, the end of the tube that is behind him, there's a big metalic part that cuoold look like that handle. bah, never mind. I can't see the handle you're talking about anyway.


It doesn't look like a handle actually, it was just that the first glance at it said "handle" in my mind, and so I thought, "why not?", and made some. So there. :ha:
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Those handlebars are probalby lockers seeing as FS has artificial gravity.  Doesn't anyone remember the command briefing movie in FS1 when Admiral Wolf tells the pilots of the plan to capture the Tyranis.  In my recognition, Wolf was standing firm on the ground and the pilots were not seatbelted into their seats
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If a ship is damaged, there comes a point when internal systems start failing, artificial gravity certainly could be one of the things to go, and handle bars won't hurt if they do. ;)

 

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Speaking of ship internals and gravity fluctuations, I've started looking into MODding the Serious Sam engine, with the goal being a Freespace FPS in that engine.

The community at http://forums.seriouscommunity.com/ is very helpful, but I'll need help from you guys as well. But that's for the future - I ain't gonna start anything until after I geet back from reserves (~Feb 27th).

But think about the possibilities: Serious Engine supports multiple gravity fields; define a 1G field at knee-height above any given flat surface inside a ship, with everything else at zero G, and walla! You have a situation that duplicates the effect of marines in a zero-G environment wearing magnetic boots!

That's just one of the possibilities that's hit me while playing Serious Sam. I'm thinking SAR missions for downed pilots behind enemy lines, ship boarding (hallfight), repelling boarders, heck - even going EV as a tech or something to repair something on the outside of an orion's hull - walking along the hull (Ooh - the hi-poly Orion!!). ;7 ;7 ;7
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