[Stryke 9]

Stealth: No comment. In the most ominous way possible.

Lone: No. There's a big difference between telling everyone to give the admins a break and carrying around a picket sign saying "The End is near!". Don't insult the peoples' intelligence here.

And there's also another thread dedicated to this topic, which is plenty.

That is all.

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Stealth: No comment. In the most ominous way possible.

Lone: No. There's a big difference between telling everyone to give the admins a break and carrying around a picket sign saying "The End is near!". Don't insult the peoples' intelligence here.

And there's also another thread dedicated to this topic, which is plenty.

That is all.

Dont exaggerate. My statement is clear. I never said the end is near as u bluntly misquoted. I simply stated "future of site at stake" and for a good reason. It is possible, and can happen.

I'm sorry i don't just stand idley by, watching it get worse and hope for the best. It has to get better and people deserve to know the truth and consequences of actions taken here.

I have no disrespect for you Stryke, i figured atleast one person would disagree with me. Had to be someone, dont take offense to what im saying please and try not to be negative in your next reply. If im wrong, lets be constructive about it if we are going to disagree instead of pointing fingers at each other. Im not trying to insult anyone by saying what i did.

I hope you understand my intention is good, if you dont agree with it fine. No need to try and make this topic worse then you say it is by claiming im insulting everyones intelligence. Which im plainly not doing. BTW i would of posted in the other topic, but after reading it and seeing it degenerate before the first page was done (wasnt bad but i had a feeling it was heading in a bad direction), so i thought i would make one on a much more serious note.

Also, im not talking about lightening up on admins, im speaking about the gamespy servers, what they are, who they are, and what has happened before and could happen here.

This is far different then the "Lighten Up On Admins" Topic.

[WMCoolmon]

THe amount of spam topics seems to have decreased...I thnk this thread has served it's purpose.

Originally posted by Maeglamor

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I don't swear here though because to some it's offensive, it's also not really necessary to make my point. Lastly minors visit here and this is not an adult forum or site and as such we must reflect that by restricting our more colourful language.[/color]

Explains why you always post in green.

[JR2000Z]

How were we able to get on a Gamespy server anyway? They do server service?

[Lonestar]

Yes they do of servers for EA Games and other companies, usually bundled with the game and sometimes built into the game itself such is the case with Medal Of Honor Allied Assault and Spearhead.

Find out more at gamespy website.

[Solatar]

Originally posted by Maeglamor


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I don't swear here though because to some it's offensive, it's also not really necessary to make my point. Lastly minors visit here and this is not an adult forum or site and as such we must reflect that by restricting our more colourful language.

'nuff said.

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But minors swear, we swear more than a lot of adults I know.

EDIT: It's not like my parents ever visit this place, not sure about anybody else though.

[Goober5000]

Swearing is not a good habit to get into.  The fact that it's common on this forum is a sign that people aren't being responsible.

Go with what was agreed on a week or so ago - insult creatively.

[TheVirtu]

Might I add that Lonestar got this idea off me, for I have firsthand witnessed what can happen to a site if it gets bad like this.

'Nuff said.

[CP5670]

Swearing is not a good habit to get into.  The fact that it's common on this forum is a sign that people aren't being responsible.

I don't curse in my posts simply because it makes the post look rather stupid, essentially indicating that the poster's vocabulary is too limited to get his point across without resorting to petty insults and heavily overused words, which leads others to question the rest of his intelligence. (the common curse words have long since lost their practical effectiveness at conveying ideas since they are used in too many different ways and can be put in just about anywhere) There is no point in trying to "shield" younger forum members from profanity as they are going to have to get used to it at some point anyway, but the poster is the one whose reputation suffers.

Go with what was agreed on a week or so ago - insult creatively.

you are a ... a ... multifactorial of NEGATIVE ORDER! hahaha!

[Solatar]

Originally posted by CP5670


There is no point in trying to "shield" younger forum members from profanity as they are going to have to get used to it at some point anyway, but the poster is the one whose reputation suffers.

 

[Lonestar]

Originally posted by CP5670


I don't curse in my posts simply because it makes the post look rather stupid, essentially indicating that the poster's vocabulary is too limited to get his point across without resorting to petty insults and heavily overused words, which leads others to question the rest of his intelligence. (the common curse words have long since lost their practical effectiveness at conveying ideas since they are used in too many different ways and can be put in just about anywhere) There is no point in trying to "shield" younger forum members from profanity as they are going to have to get used to it at some point anyway, but the poster is the one whose reputation suffers.



you are a ... a ... multifactorial of NEGATIVE ORDER! hahaha!

With that logic is their any point in trying to sheild children from crime, drugs or violence? I guess not. So I can rant about how i like to beat kittens, take love to smoke it up while robbing old ladies? No, it isnt appropriate just like vulgar language is inappropriate. Your right, they will be exposed at some time, but should HLP be the ones doing the exposing? Is it good for HLP?

Really, thats the big question everyone should ask before posting.

Disclaimer: I dont do drugs, beat kittens or rob old ladies. Never have never will. Its wrong kids, dont do it. Remember be responsible for how you portray yourself, its all fun and games until its gone. Then where can u debate these things?

[CP5670]

With that logic is their any point in trying to sheild children from crime, drugs or violence? I guess not. So I can rant about how i like to beat kittens, take love to smoke it up while robbing old ladies? No, it isnt appropriate just like vulgar language is inappropriate. Your right, they will be exposed at some time, but should HLP be the ones doing the exposing? Is it good for HLP?

Really, thats the big question everyone should ask before posting.

Alright, you asked for it by picking a fight with me. I would make a small change to what you are saying there, namely telling them that there exist people that do whatever, because when you say that you like doing it yourself, you are effectively censoring the alternate options. These silly attempts at censorship are both futile and pointless; it is obviously impossible to carry them out in today's "information age," and even if they somehow succeed, there is absolutely nothing to be gained for the child. Then, this whole concept of "appropriate" is quite subjective and is determined by the dominant culture at the time; there is nothing that is universally appropriate or the opposite, and it hardly matters who/what is doing the exposing since the results are the same (don't stay away from cursing because it is "bad," but rather because it is ineffective). It is neither good nor bad for HLP, but if we restrict our discussions here to threads that are "good for HLP," 99.999% of the threads here would not exist (including most FS-related threads), and it would become a bit of a boring place, eh?

[Stryke 9]

I agree with CP. For one thing, screeching like little old ladies in tennis shoes every tine someone says "****" here, going on about "WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN???" is kinda pointless when all it takes is fatfingering an address or a Google search to see all the different kinds of ****ing there are and more, in full detail, and done far more offensively than you could normally imagine.
For another, there's nothing wrong with ****ing. It's enjoyable, it happens to most everybody but the sort of people who self-appoint themselves the righteous censors, it's how your mama made you. Same sorta deal with ****, etc. It's part of life, and it's unhealthy not to recognize that fact and to try to cover it up. So can it.

[Lonestar]

Is it that hard to just be good? Yeesh. Never thought we would debate if we should be good ppl or not.

[Stryke 9]

"Good" is 110% subjective. Stalin probably thought he was a great guy, along with Robespierre, the everpresent Hitler, and Ashcroft.

[Goober5000]

No, good is objective.  Otherwise we would have no rational basis for calling Hitler evil.  In a relativistic society, he'd be as good or bad as anyone else.

Yes, we should inform children that bad behavior exists in the world, but we shouldn't demonstrate it for them.

[Stryke 9]

All right, say good is an objective, quantifiable property, independent of what we think. Still, who knows what it is? Who's to say we don't have the wrong idea of it? Are you gonna claim to have an absolute understanding of the objective truth? Seems more than a bit arrogant to me, personally, to usurp the knowledge only God is supposed to have...



Doesn't work that way. You can say that Hitler was bad for society, and created human misery, which you can call "bad" as a point of reference. But it's just drawing a line in the sand, and labeling one thing "good" or another "bad" doesn't make it true- the labels are meaningless, and exist only so that we can talk about these things.

If I was really bored, here's where I'd start pushing calling things good and bad, but I'm not THAT much of a lit geek.

[ShadowWolf_IH]

hey guys can you do the rest of us a favor?  While we realize that there is nothing better for you to be doing at the moment that debating this....the debate has grown old....debates have grown old in general.  If you have to debate, why not go ahead and just debate about, and maybe even decide on what would be acceptable behavior and what would not.  and no i am not entering the debate, just trying to give it some direction.  

By acceptable behavior, i mean settle down and maybe make some compromises (uh oh, just asked for adult like actions), and come to an agreement.  essentially, Lonestar, get a little dirty, Stryke, get a little clean, meet in the middle.  but end the pointless bickering and baiting.  We all agree that we don't want HLP shut down.  If we are already acting the same way as the forum Virtu used to run, then maybe what lonestar is saying has merit.  

Preaching to each other won't work.  we are all to bullheaded for that to happen.  So how about this.  Stryke?  I am asking you to refrain from using what is probably the most versatile word in the english language.   Not asking you to stop using it.  Just asking you to ease up on it a bit.  k?  

Also, Have you given any thought to any other ideas about that stuff we were discussing the other night? I have, what we need is an updated fred tutorial. Not a changing from the old one, but appendices added for the source code stuff.  That's one thing we could all use.

[Alikchi]

Everything is fine as it is. If it wasn't, Gamespy would give a ****. This thread is stupid. Die.

[J.F.K.]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
"Good" is 110% subjective. Stalin probably thought he was a great guy, along with Robespierre, the everpresent Hitler, and Ashcroft.

Studied Robespierre two years ago, Hitler last year, Stalin presently, but Ashcroft I don't know. Enlighten me?