Poll

What is your favorite playable ship?

GTF Ares
6 (9.1%)
SF Mara (Terran)
16 (24.2%)
GTF Perseus
11 (16.7%)
GTF Erinyes
11 (16.7%)
GTF Myrmidon
2 (3%)
GTF Hercules
2 (3%)
GTF Herc Mk. II
6 (9.1%)
GTF Loki
1 (1.5%)
GTF Ulysses
2 (3%)
Other (specify)
9 (13.6%)

Total Members Voted: 41

Voting closed: March 10, 2003, 01:06:21 pm

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Offline Lonestar

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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
No I mean, let the Harpoons go up your engines and see what happens. Bye-bye Perseus!

I dislike the Perseus because it is too fragile and playing the single-player campaign where it was used as a bomber/bomb interceptor causes vivid memories of desperately trying to take out incoming bombs to pop into my mind whenever I fly a Perseus. Maybe the GTVA should equip all of its interceptors with signs that read "OVER HERE YOU STUPID SON OF A COCKROACH" in Shivan so that the bomber pilots get mad and engage the interceptors to make the interceptors' job nice and easy.


ROFL i played that part last night, stupid AI dont do crap either for you. Still managed to get by it though. I hate the FS2 escort missions.

 

Offline Woolie Wool

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A Maxim might do Maxim-al damage to a cruiser (clever) but it won't do jack **** against the shields against enemy fighters or bombers. You could keep firing at a Shivan bomber for God knows how long with double Maxims and all you will do is deplete your energy banks. The Kayser is a far more versatile weapon and is quite good against Fenris and adequate against an Aten (you might want to bring a Maxim along if you want to attack a Cain alone). The Kayser can chew up anything with less than 5000 hitpoints in seconds including shielded targets.
16:46   Quanto   ****, a mosquito somehow managed to bite the side of my palm
16:46   Quanto   it itches like hell
16:46   Woolie   !8ball does Quanto have malaria
16:46   BotenAnna   Woolie: The outlook is good.
16:47   Quanto   D:

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Offline Hippo

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Originally posted by Knight Templar
The Athena all the way.



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Definately the Athena
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Offline aldo_14

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Perseus, followed by the Erinyes.  Valkyrie in FS1.  Though I'm not all that keen on FS2's ships nowadays.

 

Offline Hippo

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Originally posted by Woolie Wool


The problem is that when you have to attack said Tauret in an Erinyes, all the guns are laid out horizontally, causing your shots to go over or under the bogey, and this is exacerbated in the Erinyes because the gun mounts are all under the fuselage, so that you consistently undershoot thin targets. Ares 1, Erinyes 0.  As for secondaries, I can't stand being without a large load of secondaries, and IIRC the Ares can hold 72 Harpoons. Ares 2, Erinyes 0. Also, the Ares has larger energy reserves so you can keep blazing away. Ares 3, Erinyes 0. Not to mention the Erinyes has weaker shields and hull. Ares 4, Erinyes 0.


The Erinies vs Ares...

Damp:
Erinies 25
Ares 20
   Ares wins

Rot Damp
Erinies: 0.40
Ares: 0.35
   Ares wins

X rotation time:
Erinies: 3.8
Ares: 4.5
   Erinies wins

Y rotation time:
Erinies: 4.2
Ares: 5.0
   Erinies wins

Z rotation time:
Erinies: 3.8
Ares: 4.0
   Erinies wins

Max speed:
Erinies: 65
Ares: 50
   Erinies Wins

Forward accel.:
Erinies: 3.6
Ares: 2.4
   Erinies wins

Forward Decel.:
SAME
SAME
   TIE

Primary gun banks:
SAME
SAME
   TIE

Secondary weapon choices:
Erinies: 11 types
Ares: 9 types
   Erinies wins

Gun Mounts
Erinies: 8
Ares: 6
   Erinies wins

Missile banks
Erinies: 2
Ares: 2
   TIE

Shields:
Erinies: 500
Ares: 650
   Ares wins

Power Output
Erinies: 3.30
Ares: 5.00
   Ares Wins

Max energy to engines speed
Erinies: 70
Ares: 62
   Erinies wins

Max Weapon energy:
Erinies: 150
Ares: 180
   Ares wins

Erinies: 325
Ares: 425
   Ares wins


TOTALS:
Erinies: 8
Ares: 6

The Erinies is victorious, according to the ships table.
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Offline Woolie Wool

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If you wish to fly something with low power output, expect rolling blackouts of your guns while I cause you to black out permanently with double Kaysers and Harpoons!
16:46   Quanto   ****, a mosquito somehow managed to bite the side of my palm
16:46   Quanto   it itches like hell
16:46   Woolie   !8ball does Quanto have malaria
16:46   BotenAnna   Woolie: The outlook is good.
16:47   Quanto   D:

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Offline Martinus

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BTW Woolie you're new here so you don't get a hammer to the skull straightaway for swearing unnecessarily.

Tone it down, or better yet don't swear at all.

Welcome to HLP, have fun. :nod:

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Offline Anaz

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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
If you wish to fly something with low power output, expect rolling blackouts of your guns while I cause you to black out permanently with double Kaysers and Harpoons!


you don't have to worry about rolling blackouts if you don't miss :p
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Offline CP5670

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I like big secondary banks, but mainly for carrying loads of Tempests. Those things work more like primary cannons than missiles; they are also wildly powerful for their fire wait, and since launching them does not slow down the firing rate of your primaries, they effectively add the power of an extra Kayser to your ship. The combination of a Kayser with four firing points and a continuous stream of Tempests is especially effective against heavy bombers; even the Seraphims get shredded in less than three seconds with that.
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I clicked 'Other' since you left off the GTF Apollo. I love that little ship.
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Offline Darkage

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I can kill anything up to cruiser class with a Herc2 using 1 Bank of Harpoons, 1 Bank of Tornado's 1 Subach-hl7 and 1 Prometius-R cannon. But killing a wing of Seraphim bombers fast then you need to use missiles and primary's together.

My most used loadout is:

Ship: Herc2
PrimaryB1: Kayser
PrimaryB2: Maxim
SecondaryB1: Harpoons (32)
SecondaryB2: Tornado's (dunno)

That is my favorite loadout i can kill  a Lilit
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Offline Woolie Wool

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I clicked 'Other' since you left off the GTF Apollo. I love that little ship.


The Apollo is stylish in appearance, but its specifications pale in comparison to many of the FS2 ships.
16:46   Quanto   ****, a mosquito somehow managed to bite the side of my palm
16:46   Quanto   it itches like hell
16:46   Woolie   !8ball does Quanto have malaria
16:46   BotenAnna   Woolie: The outlook is good.
16:47   Quanto   D:

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Offline Nico

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The Apollo is stylish in appearance, but its specifications pale in comparison to many of the FS2 ships.


the apollo is very flat and not that easy to shoot, tho. this can be a serious advantage.
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Offline Woolie Wool

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Yeah, but otherwise...

(Specs taken from the Tech FreeSpace Ship Viewer)

GTF Apollo
Maneuverability: Fair
Armor: Medium
Manufacturer: Han-Ronald Corp.
Description: (Removed for brevity)
Length: 21 meters
Gun Mounts: 4
Missile Banks: 2
Velocity: 60 m/s
Max Velocity: 82m/s
Afterburn max velocity: 150
Allowed Primary Weapons: ML-16 Laser, Disruptor, Flail, Prometheus, Avenger.
Allowed Secondary Banks: MX-50, D-Missile, Fury, Interceptor, Hornet
Shields: 350
Hitpoints: 240
Score: 10
Power output (per second): 2
Default AI Class: Captain
Countermeasures: 25
Scan Time: 2 seconds
Subsystems: Communication, Navigation, Weapons, Sensors, and Engines.

GTF Myrmidon
Maneuverability: Average
Armor: Average
Manufacturer: RNI Systems
Description: (removed for brevity)
Length: 16 meters
Gun Mounts: 6
Missile Banks: 2
Velocity: 75 m/s
Max Velocity: 140m/s
Afterburn max velocity: 150
Allowed Primary Weapons: Subach HL-7, Akheton SDG, Morning Star, Prometheus S, Prometheus R.
Allowed Secondary Banks: Rockeye, Hornet, Tornado, Tempest, Trebuchet, Stiletto II, EMP Adv., Infyrno, Helios
Shields: 390
Hitpoints: 290
Score: 10
Power output (per second): 2.4
Default AI Class: Captain
Countermeasures: 36
Scan Time: 2 seconds
Subsystems: Communication, Navigation, Weapons, Sensors, and Engines.

Which one seems to be the better ship?
16:46   Quanto   ****, a mosquito somehow managed to bite the side of my palm
16:46   Quanto   it itches like hell
16:46   Woolie   !8ball does Quanto have malaria
16:46   BotenAnna   Woolie: The outlook is good.
16:47   Quanto   D:

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Offline Petrarch of the VBB

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From the tbls the Myrm seems better. However, it has a large target profile, woefully small missile banks, and cant carry the Harpoon. It is a space-superiority fighter for crying out loud, and it cant carry decent anti-fighter missiles.

Oh, and it can't handle the Maxim.

 

Offline Hippo

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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
If you wish to fly something with low power output, expect rolling blackouts of your guns while I cause you to black out permanently with double Kaysers and Harpoons!


Kaysers aren't always the best weapon. Other weapons don't drain power. Power output is insignificant compared to the skill of a good pilot. A good pilot flies with many ship ans weapon changes, and chooses the ship for the mission... Even if they hate it. In fs1, Clash of the Titans, I ended up flying an Ulessyes, but i wanted to fly anything BUT that... but the Ulesseys is the best choice for the mission(on hard).

How is a less manuverable ship going to get a lock on a more manuverable ship piloted by an actual person?
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Offline Darkage

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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
Yeah, but otherwise...

(Specs taken from the Tech FreeSpace Ship Viewer)

GTF Apollo
Maneuverability: Fair
Armor: Medium
Manufacturer: Han-Ronald Corp.
Description: (Removed for brevity)
Length: 21 meters
Gun Mounts: 4
Missile Banks: 2
Velocity: 60 m/s
Max Velocity: 82m/s
Afterburn max velocity: 150
Allowed Primary Weapons: ML-16 Laser, Disruptor, Flail, Prometheus, Avenger.
Allowed Secondary Banks: MX-50, D-Missile, Fury, Interceptor, Hornet
Shields: 350
Hitpoints: 240
Score: 10
Power output (per second): 2
Default AI Class: Captain
Countermeasures: 25
Scan Time: 2 seconds
Subsystems: Communication, Navigation, Weapons, Sensors, and Engines.

GTF Myrmidon
Maneuverability: Average
Armor: Average
Manufacturer: RNI Systems
Description: (removed for brevity)
Length: 16 meters
Gun Mounts: 6
Missile Banks: 2
Velocity: 75 m/s
Max Velocity: 140m/s
Afterburn max velocity: 150
Allowed Primary Weapons: Subach HL-7, Akheton SDG, Morning Star, Prometheus S, Prometheus R.
Allowed Secondary Banks: Rockeye, Hornet, Tornado, Tempest, Trebuchet, Stiletto II, EMP Adv., Infyrno, Helios
Shields: 390
Hitpoints: 290
Score: 10
Power output (per second): 2.4
Default AI Class: Captain
Countermeasures: 36
Scan Time: 2 seconds
Subsystems: Communication, Navigation, Weapons, Sensors, and Engines.

Which one seems to be the better ship?



Ofcourse the Myrmidon is better then the Apollo there is 32 years between each fighter ( unless it apeard in ST wich i havent played ) It would be stupid if it had the same specs as the Apollo. But as the specs show us the fighters arent to diferent from each other except for the hull and weapon compatability.
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Offline Hippo

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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
No I mean, let the Harpoons go up your engines and see what happens. Bye-bye Perseus!

I dislike the Perseus because it is too fragile and playing the single-player campaign where it was used as a bomber/bomb interceptor causes vivid memories of desperately trying to take out incoming bombs to pop into my mind whenever I fly a Perseus. Maybe the GTVA should equip all of its interceptors with signs that read "OVER HERE YOU STUPID SON OF A COCKROACH" in Shivan so that the bomber pilots get mad and engage the interceptors to make the interceptors' job nice and easy.


Harpoons are useless against terran ships when you play on hard or against a human... Shivans can't understand english/human
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Offline Hippo

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"Incoming poll signature, hostile configuration!"
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Originally posted by Woolie Wool
Yeah, but otherwise...

(Specs taken from the Tech FreeSpace Ship Viewer)

GTF Apollo
Maneuverability: Fair
Armor: Medium
Manufacturer: Han-Ronald Corp.
Description: (Removed for brevity)
Length: 21 meters
Gun Mounts: 4
Missile Banks: 2
Velocity: 60 m/s
Max Velocity: 82m/s
Afterburn max velocity: 150
Allowed Primary Weapons: ML-16 Laser, Disruptor, Flail, Prometheus, Avenger.
Allowed Secondary Banks: MX-50, D-Missile, Fury, Interceptor, Hornet
Shields: 350
Hitpoints: 240
Score: 10
Power output (per second): 2
Default AI Class: Captain
Countermeasures: 25
Scan Time: 2 seconds
Subsystems: Communication, Navigation, Weapons, Sensors, and Engines.

GTF Myrmidon
Maneuverability: Average
Armor: Average
Manufacturer: RNI Systems
Description: (removed for brevity)
Length: 16 meters
Gun Mounts: 6
Missile Banks: 2
Velocity: 75 m/s
Max Velocity: 140m/s
Afterburn max velocity: 150
Allowed Primary Weapons: Subach HL-7, Akheton SDG, Morning Star, Prometheus S, Prometheus R.
Allowed Secondary Banks: Rockeye, Hornet, Tornado, Tempest, Trebuchet, Stiletto II, EMP Adv., Infyrno, Helios
Shields: 390
Hitpoints: 290
Score: 10
Power output (per second): 2.4
Default AI Class: Captain
Countermeasures: 36
Scan Time: 2 seconds
Subsystems: Communication, Navigation, Weapons, Sensors, and Engines.

Which one seems to be the better ship?


um, the weapons on the appolo are outdated, so the myrm is going to seem better, but it depends on the pilot
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Offline Woolie Wool

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If you want a space superiority fighter, fly this:

SF Mara (Terran)
Type: Advanced Space Superiority
Maneuverability: Excellent
Armor: Very Heavy
Manufacturer: Triton Dynamics
Description: Removed for brevity
Length: 16 meters
Gun Mounts: 2
Missile Banks: 2
Velocity: 75 m/s
Max Velocity: 95m/s
Afterburn max velocity: 135
Allowed Primary Weapons: Subach HL-7, UD-8 Kayser
Allowed Secondary Banks: Trebuchet, Rockeye, Tempest, Hornet, Tornado, Harpoon, EMP Adv., TAG-A
Shields: 700
Hitpoints: 475
Score: 12
Power output (per second): 2.4
Default AI Class: Captain
Countermeasures: 50
Scan Time: 2 seconds
Subsystems: Communication, Navigation, Weapons, Sensors, and Engines.

As for anti-fighter missiles. Tornadoes are good for that role. Oh yeah, it's the toughest fighter in the game too (700/475). You can't go wrong.
16:46   Quanto   ****, a mosquito somehow managed to bite the side of my palm
16:46   Quanto   it itches like hell
16:46   Woolie   !8ball does Quanto have malaria
16:46   BotenAnna   Woolie: The outlook is good.
16:47   Quanto   D:

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--General Battuta