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Thanks for the compliments, all. Just wait until I post the concept pic I drew before I started modelling... (I need a scanner...) :p

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Originally posted by KARMA
very good but
i don't like the diagonal bottom spikes


I don't at the moment either. :p I had to rush out of the house, and I wanted to post what I had done so far, so... ;) I'm toying with putting either different mechanisims at the end of each diagonal leg, or having them end in round landing platforms, ala that Vasudan installation whose name I forget. :p

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the sphere need some work in my opinion, on the textures mainly, i don't like them, probably some less "casual" texture may be better, for example a texture with mostly horizontal  lines and with some "elements" on it (for example little rings with windows/lights, bespin style, or maybe an "hydroponic garden" if you want a civilian structure )


Again, agreed. The problem is that I made the sphere a geosphere, not your standard everything-comes-to-a-point-at-the-poles sphere. Which means that I'm essentially limited to a repeating texture like I have now, or going all the way and making my own UVW map (which is, at the moment, far beyond my know-how). I definitely want something with the dome to change before I call it "complete".


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i like the yellow tech parts hidden in the rock, but i find them too "regular", maybe a secondary docking bay(with maybe the possibility to fly INSIDE the asteroid ;7;7), a couple of panoramic windows, some little structures could improove the whole thing


Nahh, I'm not gonna make this one have internal guts unless I'm really bored one day. :p Besides, there's no reason for it to have that. It has a hangar and few docking platforms / arms,  no need to go overboard.

And it's the regularity of the yellow parts that I liked, actually - shows that there's an  internal structure running thoughout the whole asteroid. :)

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A docking platform could be used also at the base of the sphere: make the sphere diameter little smaller so to create a little horizontal area between the sphere and the vertical area, and work on this area to make a little platform


Nahh, the dome stays. Like I said above, I have docking platforms coming out of the sides - those arm thingys.

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Originally posted by ZylonBane
Very cool model, but as per your stated purpose, it looks more like it exists in spite of the asteroid, not because of it.


Hmmm... I see what you mean. On one hand, it's not like the station engineers would hesitate to build more superstructure far beyond the original asteroid boundaries if the need arose. On the other hand, ummmm..... yeah. :p

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Originally posted by diamondgeezer
The second model is better but, as the Bane™ said, it's still not quite right - what I think he means is that there's too much base in too small an asteroid. It looks not so much like the base was built in an asteroid to take advantage of said rock, but that the rock is there because it was in the way.

Solution - more rock, less base, Bodecia style :nod:


Again, hmmm.

I'm toying with removing those bottom four diagonal legs alltogether. Opinions?

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The current style might work nicely if the base is supposed to be hidden though, since it looks like bits of asteroid were sort of pasted onto the installation to camouflage it.


There is already that beam weapon research base hidden away insode an asteroid - far better than anything I could do. This ain't supposed to be hidden in the asteroid, just incorporating it.
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instead of reducing the installation you can increase the rock:)

 

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What he said :)

 

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Originally posted by Sandwich
This ain't supposed to be hidden in the asteroid, just incorporating it.

Then the question becomes-- why? Excavating solid rock to architectural specifications is insanely resource-intensive. There needs to be a Darn Good Reason an asteroid was involved, as simply building a free-floating station must be significantly faster/cheaper.
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Agreed. You can lose the asteroid altogether and it would be more practical for a campaign, be more realistic, and look better. The asteroid isn't really the focal point anyway. :nod:

For the bottom, try this. Look at the clustered array under the runway of the Orion, with the spikes and radar dishes and whatnot everywhere. Put something like that hanging underneath. No need to make it radially symmetrical; in fact, it's better if it's asymmetrical.

And for the top dome, how about a geodesic bracing texture? That would be cool.
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And for the top dome, how about a geodesic bracing texture? That would be cool.


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Keep the asteroid!

It looks cool...
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That looks damn good dude!

So far i like it!

What kinda defence wil it have? AAF and Flak mainly?
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Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
For the bottom, try this. Look at the clustered array under the runway of the Orion, with the spikes and radar dishes and whatnot everywhere. Put something like that hanging underneath. No need to make it radially symmetrical; in fact, it's better if it's asymmetrical.

And for the top dome, how about a geodesic bracing texture? That would be cool.


Good idea for the bottom, and yes, I like asymmetrical stuff, too - just look at the asteroid part. :p

As for the top dome... yeah. I wish I could, but I have no texturing skills whatsoever, and I made the mistake of making it a geodesic dome as opposed to the regular kind of dome made by 3D apps, where all that hemisphere's polygons meet at the pole. If I find a good amount of free time I'll take a shot at it though. I'm not really pleased with the textures there either.

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There needs to be a Darn Good Reason an asteroid was involved, as simply building a free-floating station must be significantly faster/cheaper.


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Originally posted by SKYNET-011
Keep the asteroid!

It looks cool...


What he said. :D If taking advantage of the pre-existing material of an enormous (ok, maybe just plain large-ish) free-floating asteroid doesn't do it for you, then it's for the Coolness Factor™. All buildings here in Jerusalem are required by law to be faced with Jerusalem Stone, a kind of limestone with a certain appearance. It doesn't help the structural integrity of said buildings, doesn't really make them any more protected from the elements, doesn't make them more "efficient" in any manner, really. It's purely for the look - they integrate better with the area.

So does this base. It's not meant to be a millitary installation per se. You can script in a small GTVA contingent stationed there, sure, but the ultimate purpose is not of a millitary nature. The asteroid part is simply to incorporate some natural elements of space into the design.


....and with that, coming up next! My half-nebula installation! Come see it now - if you can! :lol: ;)
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Originally posted by Sandwich
If taking advantage of the pre-existing material of an enormous (ok, maybe just plain large-ish) free-floating asteroid doesn't do it for you, then it's for the Coolness Factor™.
But that's just it... the design of the station doesn't take advantage of the asteroid at all. It's like someone said, "Build a station RIGHT THERE." "But sir, there's an asteroid there!" "I don't care, build it there anyway. And leave the asteroid where it is." :wtf:

An installation that took advantage of an asteroid would have the majority of its structure scattered on the surface.
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But that's just it... the design of the station doesn't take advantage of the asteroid at all. It's like someone said, "Build a station RIGHT THERE." "But sir, there's an asteroid there!" "I don't care, build it there anyway. And leave the asteroid where it is." :wtf:


:lol:

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An installation that took advantage of an asteroid would have the majority of its structure scattered on the surface.


It's not a big asteroid - not in that sense. The installation has a ~700 meter diameter - as long as a Deimos. Scattering facilities over the surface would be slightly strange, seeing as they'd either have to make use of artificial gravity just to keep the horizon "normal", or else they'd orient everything one way. Which is what this is - just far more integrated into the 'roid.
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btw san', you should be able to apply a texture even on a geosphere using a spheric uvmap

 

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btw san', you should be able to apply a texture even on a geosphere using a spheric uvmap


Yeah, of course I can - but the trick is that if I wanted to simulate support beams and the like, I'd have to apply a triangular texture (or a square tex with triangular "content") to every face individually. MAX has a UVW per face method of mapping, but I'm not sure it'll be able to give me the precise control I'd need. I may just have to resort to planar mapping each face of the geosphere individually - but the result should be worth it.

Now to find the time.... :-/
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This asteroid could hold a few thousand fighters and a few capships (With fighter compliments also).. If you have the time wanna make a few hangars and interior tunnels fo it (like main control center, power station, ops! I forgot we can use the core of Karnak! he he this would be a cool asteroid. you could fly around for 10 minutes in the interior I'll wager. The whole mision could tale place inside it. Then a Red alert mision to get the hell out like the deathstar...

  Here are some pics. First one shows off DS9 i'm in a HercII just to the upper right of the other ring shooting my guns toward the dominion asteroid base. This shows the proper scale of the DS9 model. However the base next to it is HUGE! to show better scale I next moved the hercII directly over the little ball command center on the base (in this pic I am the black dot in the white circle firing my weapons) now taking the size of the building into consideration imagine the size of the asteroid in game!) note FS2 handled fine even with the 20+ fed ships/stations and the 9 klingon/rom ships stations and 9 other race ship stations I had in mission to fly around and take screens of... Only problem I found is with this particular model. It isn't solid. it is using a fighter table playing dead so it dosen't move. I can shoot it but fly through the walls. Is the model too big? Can this be fixed. And is anyone else excited about having a base this fricken hugh to do stuff inside of? ;)



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:wtf: Where did you get the idea that this base is frikkin huge?

Oh, and your next post will be number 666. :devil:
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This asteroid could hold a few thousand fighters and a few capships (With fighter compliments also).. If you have the time wanna make a few hangars and interior tunnels fo it (like main control center, power station, ops! I forgot we can use the core of Karnak! he he this would be a cool asteroid. you could fly around for 10 minutes in the interior I'll wager. The whole mision could tale place inside it. Then a Red alert mision to get the hell out like the deathstar...


Erm... what GE said. Here's a size comparison. I haven't modified the installation any yet, so don't bother looking for changes. :)
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I love perspective. That was done in TS5, BTW - the models were, not the nebula.
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Perspective makes so much difference. The nebula looks Photoshopped, is that right?
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