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Offline Stryke 9

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I think you can set it up so that programs can write to the registry to an extent (as in, say, config files), but the folders are still no-access to the users directly. At least, my comp seems to store 'em just fine, and I have just about no accesses...

 

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hmmm
since im refusing to use xp with all that graphics n stuff cuz i hate it(using it with old style wherever i can disable the crap) xp aint slowing me down THAT much but its a tad bit slower (thankl god i got 256mb ram in my ol puter)
the diffrence i see betwen 2k and xp is aprox xp isnt *****ing about things 2k *****ed about
so its basicaly 2k with service packs n some other lil changes with a fancy look
but 2k and xp are memory hoggs

 

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The first time I saw XP/.NET without all the Luna GUI enhancements I ran screaming to the Themes service controls. Now, the Explorer look is butt-ugly to begin with (hell, even a command line looks better...) but XP and .NET take it to new depths of ugliness.
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I think he was aware of that.


I just had to do that. Some people may take me serriously. :rolleyes:

 

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http://www.euronet.nl/users/frankvw/IhateMS.html

This site's kinda has to do with the topic, the name may be misleading so I'll tell you that this isn't just another arbitrary "MS is teh 3vil" article. It explains how MS products are flawed, how they're so popular (marketing) and suchlike.
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Offline Vertigo1

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Hm, people just never learn. Over here


Actually I did get it, hense the smilies.
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Offline Vertigo1

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You're wrong. Just because predictability might comfort some of the more "special" of those here.


Actually, I've heard of 3D Mark, and that's about it, so I don't have a real opinion about its accuracy. I assume it's a RAM counter, but that's where my familiarity ends and unlike a certain set of individuals here I don't like to make claims about stuff I don't know anything about, really. Plus, any claims I made I'd have to make would hence be entirely based on me making things up, which is fun but largely unconvincing.


3D Mark is actually more than just a 'ram counter'.  It actually benches your system from a gaming POV.  The only thing I don't like about it is that:

1. Its more CPU oriented.
2. They keep changing the damn ranking system with each release so results are never consistant.
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Offline Vertigo1

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It's taking up more than 100Mb, which is obscene. If I had 100Mb of RAM less, I'd probably never see the ends of some renders. To put that in perspective, WinAmp, the fattest program made for timesharing I have, takes up about 200Mb of RAM, and it's like ****ting a watermelon for the computer to play a song and run a 3D program at once. And I have two CPUs, and quite a lot of RAM. Windows 98/2000, with all the peripherals, takes up some 14Mb at a time on mine, last I checked. For shame.


Linux-Mandrake 8.x eats up more hard drive space than any Windows install.  I suppose you consider that obscene as well?  Lets face it, as the OS evolves the system requirements go up.  Not everyone is running some POS p133 with a 2MB Cirrus Logic video card with maybe 32MB of SIMMs, so there is no reason to keep the OS so low-level anymore.  Most businesses have systems atleast in the 600MHz range or more (which is where MS makes more of its revenue by comparison) with atleast 10gig hard drives so they can afford to plop in a few more things here and there.

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And I don't know where you learned your counting, but 300 vs. 1000+ in one or two "upgrades" isn't just bad, it's horrendous, particularly when XP really doesn't do much of anything more than any of its predecessors, just sticks some fancy graphics and one of those horrible "intuitive" interfaces. It's all that recursive coding- they don't actually have people do this **** anymore, it's one of those AIs writing the code that ain't much smarter than the one making bad guys run into walls and keep walking into them when you're shooting at them in a game- the code's all snarled, with functions that never are needed or used going on and off over and over and over again, burning up your memory... About two months ago, someone installed Office XP on a five or ten-year-old box I've got access to, computer with a crotchety old motherboard/CPU hookup but a ridiculous amount of memory. The computer just stopped working. Like that. Took fifteen minutes to open any light program, like Notepad, could literally wait all day for it to open Photoshop. Took XP off, thing was running just fine, almost as fast as the average comp nowadays. It was like a virus.


Funny, I don't recall you ever working for MS so how would YOU know what they do?  I seriously doubt you've had ANY programming experience WHATSOEVER.  See, when you do programming as a job, there are these things called DEADLINES.  You know, this thing where you have to be finished by a certain date or else?  They write it as fast as possible, and with MS setting such tight deadlines, they don't have time to go back and refine/tweak the coding to slim it down.  Why do you think MS is releasing patch after patch all the time?  Why do you thing Outlook has more security holes than the MOAB has blubber?  As for Office XP on an old system like that, what the hell did you expect?  Even Office 2000 (which isn't near as bloated as XP, that I will admit freely.) would run rediculously slow on an old system like that.  Thats like expecting a Geforce 4 to work perfectly in a 486.  Its not gonna happen.

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XP isn't the worst OS ever, but it's an almost imperceptible improvement over 2000, and if you factor in the obscene price tag and all that tons of system resources it's hogging, it's worse- and since when you put them together, the cost really includes the cost of upgrading all your hardware right away for another thousand or so, it's just surreal. Why the **** would you ever blow all that money- hell, I haven't updated my graphics card or CPU in years, and my comp's quite a lot faster than any brand spanking new XP box I've run. It'd be nice if I could get it to accept any of the new memory cards I've got sitting around, let me do fullscreen minute-long animations like I'd like to (and which no stock XP setup can do without thousands of dollars of upgrades- and which you probably couldn't work out without tens of thousands in software to boot), but that's a hardware issue.


Funny, I can get it for under $50 (legally mind you).  I posted a link here a long time ago to a section of their site where you can order XP Pro for like $34 or so.  Do a search.  As far as XP being an improvement over 2000, XP has fixed alot of things that were frelled up in 2k.  For one, in XP you can actually auto-dial out in anything other than a program that uses the IE shell as a base.  You can't do that in 2k.  Furthermore, the compatability modes work a hell of alot better.  The memory management is slightly better (though with a dualy box, you won't notice that anyhow.)  The loading time has been dramatically improved.  On my 700MHz Duron, XP only takes 15 seconds to load, vs 45 with 2k (SP2).  (For the record, I have half a gig of PC133.)

I dunno what your problem is, but I've had no problems at all with doing full-screen animations.

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Now, if you compare XP to the mythic Palladium, you might find some nicer things to say. But that's about it right there as far as things XP is actually preferable to.


True, but you can bet they'll try to sneak Palladium in, in a future XP service pack.  (not that it'll work without it enabled in the hardware mind you...  If you plan on upgrading, I'd do it soon before intel or AMD has a chance to plop it in the current CPU lines.)
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Hm, people just never learn. Over here
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3D Mark is actually more than just a 'ram counter'.  It actually benches your system from a gaming POV.  The only thing I don't like about it is that:

1. Its more CPU oriented.
2. They keep changing the damn ranking system with each release so results are never consistant.


The ratings system doesn't change, what gets tested does. Take for instance the new version, 3DMark2003. If I understand correctly, this is a DirectX9-based benchmark. Now with that it mind, it it plausible to assume that a DirectX8 accelerator will produce the exact same scores in a DirectX9 benchmark as it does in a DirectX 8 or 8.1 benchmark like 3DMark2001/2001SE? This is also the reason why 3DMark scores are such a useless indicator of performance, it's always a year or so ahead in API utilisation than most games and as such, the scores produced are useless for anything more than penis size comparisons.
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well kalfblmber ahh what the hell
katfish how system going ?

 

Offline Ryx

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3DMark is not exclusively a dx9 benchmark.
In the 4 Game Tests it uses varying DX7-9 tech. In this case GT 4 is a DX9 test. You have to have dx9 hardware to be able to run this test.  Otherwise 3DMark just skips the test and you loose points.

Here's an article. http://www.beyond3d.com/articles/3dmark03/intro/

And another, though not about 3DMark, shows some of the differences between dx7-9.
http://www.beyond3d.com/articles/nv30r300/
It's really a speculation article on the differences between R300 and , the then annanounced, NV30.

As I understand it, something written for dx9 HW can't be run on dx8 HW. Maybe some sort of software emulation will enable it to be run, but imagine the FPS. :shaking:
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I don't give a flying fig about the 3DMark scores. I just think they're cool to look at. :p
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Bloody hell!

I find myself agreeing with ZylonBane!

 

Offline Kamikaze

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Linux-Mandrake 8.x eats up more hard drive space than any Windows install.  I suppose you consider that obscene as well?  Lets face it, as the OS evolves the system requirements go up.  Not everyone is running some POS p133 with a 2MB Cirrus Logic video card with maybe 32MB of SIMMs, so there is no reason to keep the OS so low-level anymore.  Most businesses have systems atleast in the 600MHz range or more (which is where MS makes more of its revenue by comparison) with atleast 10gig hard drives so they can afford to plop in a few more things here and there.


:rolleyes: Why the hell should you make an operating system that CAN'T operate on old systems? Does it offer any advantage? Nope. You can set up a working, nice server with linux on a 100Mhz range computer. Try it with windows, it CRAWLS. There isn't much reason to make us buy more and more expensive parts. (supposedly hardware vendors actually quite like this in windows, makes people buy more stuff for their crap)

Also, Linux actually installs things you need and you tell it to (unless you go for some uber-beginner package) and usually the base install is 50 megs to 100 megs. (i.e. the root mount) The rest of the system is optional stuff. Note that the system critical parts are stored on a different mount or at least in a totally different part of the system than normal applications so as not to contaminate anything.
Windows jams everything into the same place and installs useless junk without asking you anything (y'know 3d pinball? that's megabytes of data that it puts on your system without telling you. There're lots of these useless packages stuffed in windows).


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Funny, I don't recall you ever working for MS so how would YOU know what they do?  I seriously doubt you've had ANY programming experience WHATSOEVER.  See, when you do programming as a job, there are these things called DEADLINES.  You know, this thing where you have to be finished by a certain date or else?  They write it as fast as possible, and with MS setting such tight deadlines, they don't have time to go back and refine/tweak the coding to slim it down.  Why do you think MS is releasing patch after patch all the time?  Why do you thing Outlook has more security holes than the MOAB has blubber?  As for Office XP on an old system like that, what the hell did you expect?  Even Office 2000 (which isn't near as bloated as XP, that I will admit freely.) would run rediculously slow on an old system like that.  Thats like expecting a Geforce 4 to work perfectly in a 486.  Its not gonna happen.


Erm, you don't know anything. MS largely steals other peoples programs (or buys them) and so writing actual programs is reduced somewhat. (I've heard on the word '97 thing there're still files with "copyright wordperfect corporation" on them :lol: ) Oh and deadlines aren't an excuse for anything... do you accept games that are rushed to productions lines and released as "special" builds (remember that one walmart game?) or turned into bastardized convolutions?

Oh by the way, there've been office applications like Office available since back like in the 1970s/80s.... just without all the blubber and prettification..... so why does MS need to make it so slow?
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:rolleyes: Why the hell should you make an operating system that CAN'T operate on old systems? Does it offer any advantage? Nope. You can set up a working, nice server with linux on a 100Mhz range computer. Try it with windows, it CRAWLS. There isn't much reason to make us buy more and more expensive parts. (supposedly hardware vendors actually quite like this in windows, makes people buy more stuff for their crap)


Probably because:

1. Not everyone is going to use the same POS 486 all the time, nor should they code everything for the lowest common denonimatorl  That would be rather stupid, don't you think?

2.  As hardware evolves, the OS must evolve with it to take advantage of it.  To have an OS take full advantage of the SSEx and 3D Now!x instructions and have it run on some hunk of junk from the stone age would take FAR too long to code.  They would have to actually release two versions of the OS, and that would cost them more money that they'd make in sales.

3. Most programs and comp hardware require atleast a 200 - 300MHz chip in your PC *bare minimum*.   Why shouldn't the OS require a little more horsepower in order to do more for the user?

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Also, Linux actually installs things you need and you tell it to (unless you go for some uber-beginner package) and usually the base install is 50 megs to 100 megs. (i.e. the root mount) The rest of the system is optional stuff. Note that the system critical parts are stored on a different mount or at least in a totally different part of the system than normal applications so as not to contaminate anything.
Windows jams everything into the same place and installs useless junk without asking you anything (y'know 3d pinball? that's megabytes of data that it puts on your system without telling you. There're lots of these useless packages stuffed in windows).


There are lots of useless packages stuck in everything, your point?  Not every OS is perfect, that I'll agree with any of you on without hesitation.  Sure MS slaps a few extra things here and there.  They even slap "Online Services" on your comp when installing 98SE even though you de-select it in setup.

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Erm, you don't know anything. MS largely steals other peoples programs (or buys them) and so writing actual programs is reduced somewhat. (I've heard on the word '97 thing there're still files with "copyright wordperfect corporation" on them :lol: ) Oh and deadlines aren't an excuse for anything... do you accept games that are rushed to productions lines and released as "special" builds (remember that one walmart game?) or turned into bastardized convolutions?


Yeah, actual coding is reduced somewhat, but a large ammount of it is still done in-house.  As for deadlines not being an excuse for everything, that is true.  However, from what I gather they are rather strict on them.  As for unfinished games, they've been released like that in the past.  Remember that one Ultima game that never worked right and had dozens of patches?

Actually, that rumor about Office 97 is false.  Thats something I would've heard about if it were true.

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Oh by the way, there've been office applications like Office available since back like in the 1970s/80s.... just without all the blubber and prettification..... so why does MS need to make it so slow?


Because most users are stupid?  Why do you think that damned paperclip was there for so long till they "ditched" it? (they really didn't get rid of it, its just not installed by default.)
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Because most users are stupid?  Why do you think that damned paperclip was there for so long till they "ditched" it? (they really didn't get rid of it, its just not installed by default.)


Actually at first that paperclip actually was rather "intelligent" and only appeared when needed (I've heard it used bayse nets and such to show up at proper times) but MS decided to "dumb it down". Kinda shows the policies they adopt for qualtity doesn't it?

And as for the server/business market... I don't think Windows is fit for that at all. I saw a report in which three systems (linux, linux and windows) were all set to be servers (with equal traffic and such) for a few months. Windows had to undergo 30 minute maintenence (a system critical problem each time I think) every three weeks or something like that. Neither linux system went down at all.
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Give it up. This cockbrain's entrenched now, he ain't never gonna give up and admit he's wrong. If a big glowing pentagram just appeared on the top of his case and Satan and all his demons who all looked like Bill Gates leapt out of it with Microsoft logos on their foreheads and started anally raping him while reciting the names of all the Fatal Errors he'd say it wasn't any fault of his or any product he owned, or that Microsoft was including it as a special feature that anyone who didn't suck had.


See, this is what happens when people get so insecure that criticism of their ****ing operating system starts to equate to a direct insult to their dick size. It's incurable, but I always prescribe a good thrashing just because it's cathartic to anyone who's stuck with such a putz for extended time. In this case, I suppose it's impossible to literally knock some sense into him, so there's really no point in carrying this on any farther.
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Actually at first that paperclip actually was rather "intelligent" and only appeared when needed (I've heard it used bayse nets and such to show up at proper times) but MS decided to "dumb it down". Kinda shows the policies they adopt for qualtity doesn't it?


It was 'intelligent' in 97, but it became rather annoying in 2000 (where it was 'dumbed down').  Thats why they "ditched" it in XP because people kept complaining about it. (like its that hard to turn it off anyways).

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And as for the server/business market... I don't think Windows is fit for that at all. I saw a report in which three systems (linux, linux and windows) were all set to be servers (with equal traffic and such) for a few months. Windows had to undergo 30 minute maintenence (a system critical problem each time I think) every three weeks or something like that. Neither linux system went down at all.


I wouldn't use a 9x system as a server either.  However, a friend of mine did have an NT4 server running for I think was 3 or 4 years non-stop.  (Its been a while since he's talked about it.  If you're wondering, you can ask him yourself.  He posts as Russ on Spacebattles.)  It only quit when the hard drive died in it from all the frequent disk access. :D
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Aww, what's the matter?  Was the poor wittle baby not able to back himself up so he has to resort to insults a third-grader could out-do?  You poor thing!  Here, let me get you a chair.  You must be awefully tired from exerting yourself with those big words. :p

Face it Stryke.  You weren't able to prove me wrong.  I asked you for specific evidence and you weren't able to provide it.  I accept your concession.
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