[Stryke 9]

Uh huh. Is this like Dorothy? Say "I accept your concession" twenty times, click your heels together and suddenly everything I said is invalidated? I can't be arsed to put up more reasons XP is far from an improvement because you never dealt with the first few- saying that anyone who can't pay for the massive hardware upgrades needed to support such an overblown, inefficient piece of bloatware just sucks and that that doesn't matter doesn't qualify as stunning rebuttal. Hell, you basically agreed with what I said then and there and then called it discrediting the original statement.  In other words, you aren't around to deal with actual facts, you're here to screech on and on about how great XP is and how you wish the hole in the middle of the install CD was a little less sharp so you could make sweet love to it. That, combined with your arrogant newbiedom, makes you supremely not worth the effort of treating like a regular human. You don't understand your computer? Fine, everyone starts at the same place. You should learn how it works, not sit around posturing self-consciously, particularly when you suck at covering up how little you actually do know. And so why bother? It's much more entertaining and productive to deal with your rabid defense and silly pretense of being "l33t" or whatever the hell you think you are on the psychological front- after all, there's no rationality in any of your overly defensive, incoherent, insulting posts, so it's time to explore the cause of the irrationality and be a little insulting right back while I'm at it.

[Kamikaze]

Originally posted by Vertigo1

I wouldn't use a 9x system as a server either.  However, a friend of mine did have an NT4 server running for I think was 3 or 4 years non-stop.  (Its been a while since he's talked about it.  If you're wondering, you can ask him yourself.  He posts as Russ on Spacebattles.)  It only quit when the hard drive died in it from all the frequent disk access.

well, I'm not exactly too willing to believe it (Netware servers run 1 or 2 years non-stop, but windows?) but since I haven't checked it out, I won't refute it.... However, does one occurence really show any sign of a good operating system? I mean, depending on conditions and that evil thing called fate, I suppose you could run a 9x for a year or two.... <-- not willing to try. Anyhow, linux/unix is considerably more consistently reliable, so I still say windows doesn't equate to much worth on the business market. (Not that I think it's a viable personal system if you want to do anything but type a few letters and calculate 1 + 1)

Oh and a lament. I tried installing windows the other day (tried win2k, NT and 98) but I found that the freaking thing wouldn't accept a logical partition as usable.......... very, very annoying. (I have to rewrite the whole or most of the partition table to be able to get windows running well, and I have to reinstall debian and openBSD in that case)

[Vertigo1]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
*snip*

Concession accepted.

[Vertigo1]

Originally posted by Kamikaze


well, I'm not exactly too willing to believe it (Netware servers run 1 or 2 years non-stop, but windows?) but since I haven't checked it out, I won't refute it.... However, does one occurence really show any sign of a good operating system? I mean, depending on conditions and that evil thing called fate, I suppose you could run a 9x for a year or two.... <-- not willing to try. Anyhow, linux/unix is considerably more consistently reliable, so I still say windows doesn't equate to much worth on the business market. (Not that I think it's a viable personal system if you want to do anything but type a few letters and calculate 1 + 1)

As I said before, the stability of an OS relates immediately to the intelligence of the user.  If you properly maintain it (keep drivers up-to-date, scan for virii & spyware, keep the OS up-to-date, etc..) then it should theoretically last as long as the hardware its being run on.  However, there is the unknown factor to consider.  Script kiddies, hackers with a grudge, DDoS assholes, windows rot, etc.

As for the server market, you would be suprised how many servers are out there running NT, 2k, or even XP.  Granted, the number of Unix/Linux servers is rising steadily (already past the point where it would rival Windows).  Why do you think so many worms target flaws in IIS and the like? (Code Red rings a bell.)

[Stryke 9]

Never mind that all files in Windows systems, regardless of how "well" you keep them, slowly degrade and corrupt over time, including stuff that's pretty critical to the running of the computer and which is liable to mess a lot of **** up when it goes bad. Hell, I've had computer systems I'm fairly sure I never touched go bad on me, and I've never met anyone who didn't have the same issue (so unless you're the only computer-literate person in the world, I recommend you shove your "proper treatment" crap where the sun don't shine).

So sure, if your little maintenance list involves regularly reformatting your disks and reinstalling everything not a Microsoft product (to the extent where complex **** you use a lot, like, say, MAX, requires it once a month), you could do that, but once again I find your claim specious to say the least.


What's odd is that I've never seen file corruption on anything close to a similar scale in Macs, and Mac OS X was in almost every other regard evidently designed by chimpanzees.

[Odyssey]

~sniff~ I've got an old 386 'laptop', turbo button n' all, plasma amber screen, all that, 200mb HD... Now it's been left for about 1.5 years without use, and Win 3.1 has freaked out; corrupted, core parts lost, the lot. I realise that this could be due to HD problems, but I seriously doubt it, since I was able to get a minimalist 1.39mb (fits (and runs, if you feel like it) on a floppy) Linux distro running on it, GUI inclusive. And from there I can access the old Win 3.1 files themselves fine, seemingly no corruption, just when copied out and introduced to anything run by Microsoft products, the files mysteriously get 'corrupted' again.
Maybe Windows is suicidal when bored?

Note: Not that I care in any way that Windows has disappeared from it. It's more the cool old games I had on it. I love classics.

[Stryke 9]

'S what abandonware sites are for.

I think it's just lazy coding that makes it go all funky, though I've never looked into it enough to be sure. The way Windows works, it basically tries to control everything, so when it opens and closes programs and files, it messes with their code a little and every once in a while does it in such a way that the coding fouls up. Not so bad, normally (the vast majority of corruptions are non-critical, there's lots of code in the average program that's redundant or unnecessary or just plain not used by the user), but pile on error after error after error, and soon things aren't working. But that's just a guess on my part, based on what would make sense...

[Razor]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Now, you brought this entirely upon yourself.

Excuse me...do I have to care about your opinion? Actually, I laugh at your total stupidity and I am sure that this fits your personality perfectly. Enjoy and feel proud.

[Vertigo1]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Never mind that all files in Windows systems, regardless of how "well" you keep them, slowly degrade and corrupt over time, including stuff that's pretty critical to the running of the computer and which is liable to mess a lot of **** up when it goes bad. Hell, I've had computer systems I'm fairly sure I never touched go bad on me, and I've never met anyone who didn't have the same issue (so unless you're the only computer-literate person in the world, I recommend you shove your "proper treatment" crap where the sun don't shine).

ie: Windows rot, which I mentioned earlier.  However, thats not always the case.  (ref: My earlier post mentioning a certain NT4 server.)

So sure, if your little maintenance list involves regularly reformatting your disks and reinstalling everything not a Microsoft product (to the extent where complex **** you use a lot, like, say, MAX, requires it once a month), you could do that, but once again I find your claim specious to say the least.

I haven't had to reformat in over a year thank you very much, and my system is as stable as the day I first built it years ago.  Just goes to show you that buying the cheap POS crap won't get you anywhere.  *pats his old Asus A7V*  Like a ****ing rock!

What's odd is that I've never seen file corruption on anything close to a similar scale in Macs, and Mac OS X was in almost every other regard evidently designed by chimpanzees.

Ohh, don't get me started on how ****ty previous Mac OS versions are.  I haven't touched OSX so I'm not going to say anything one way or another about it.

[Stryke 9]

Yeah, it WOULD go to show... except that my main box is top-of-the-line, best of everything from a couple years back. Hell, it's still faster than most computers nowadays (partially thanks to a certain OS's tendency to eat your computer's memory with warm beer and a side of ham), and that even though it gets tremendous abuse from a certain sysop I could mention... And it was crashy long before he started ****ing it up, so none of that.

And I ain't gonna argue that about Macs. Never could stand 'em.

[Vertigo1]

I just want to know one thing....how the FRELL did we get from the pros and cons of NTFS to a pissing match on WinXP vs. whatever?

You and I are obviously not going to agree on this.  Lets just agree to disagree, eh?  (I'm suprised this thread wasn't closed long ago.)

[Stryke 9]

Because you insisted on defending XP to an unsuspecting innocent, which is unconscionable.

And fine. I accept your concession.

[Terorist]

...by the way, macs are great - they do "just work". Haven't used them myself, but I hear about one happy user's experiences on daily basis, and have investigated a little because of that... Don't bash something just because you happen to use windows/linux systems instead.

If you'll excuse me now, I'm going to run - fingers plugged to my ears and humming real loud - to avoid the flames of rabid mac haters.

[ZylonBane]

Originally posted by Terorist
...by the way, macs are great - they do "just work".

Is that "just" in the sense of "barely"?

[Stryke 9]

Actually, Macs do work pretty nicely- it's just that that doesn't get you much.

It's sort of the same thing as comparing those giant colorful lego blocks with twelve tons of scrap and a welding torch- sure, the play blocks are relatively easy to learn to use, and you're not so likely to cut or burn yourself using them, but you can't make a lot with them, and you don't have a lot of options- you can put the red one on top of the green one, or vice versa, or put one on top of the other so that they only link by two pegs. Whereas welding's nasty, dirty, dangerous work (well, the analogy's hyperbolic there, the biggest "danger" can be averted by burning a backup CD), but you can do practically anything with it, control the size, shape, and configuration of the parts you use, and in the end have a lot more fun anyway. Macs are great if you don't need much- you're just gonna Photoshop a little or maybe word process- or if you didn't really grow up a nerd and hence aren't comfortable with interfaces that are less than user friendly. PCs, and particularly Linux/Unix PCs, are for serious computer users.

Honestly, I'd recommend most people use a Mac- after all, hardly anybody makes use of their computer beyond very basic functions such as typing up papers and gaming, and it would mean I wouldn't be flooded with regular whines about how someone reformatted their hard disk and now for some reason can't find any of their files. They're pretty simple. Personally, there's a special place in my heart for the little bastards, and it's in the middle of where all the hate goes, but then, that's me, and while I can't do most of what I do on my PCs on a Mac nearly so efficiently, the stuff I (and many of the graphics people here) do represents less than the 1% of what computers are used for.



Yeah, it's nice and cool and l33t and all to have a computer that can do practically ****ing anything and that you can take apart and put together on the most elemental stage (and that has a friggin' FLOPPY DRIVE!!! Urgh. Damn them.), but all in all the whole computer-potential-equals-dick-size thing is pretty damn immature and lame now, and it's much more intelligent and capable a move to spend money on a computer that does what you need it to do, and does it well. Me, I need a computer I can beat up on, modify heavily, install all sorts of freaky **** on, and generally fiddle with without getting some big colorful menu giving me every option but the very basic one I want to use.



This in no way means I don't have a deep, seething hatred of all things Apple, it just means that even the epitome of evil has its uses at times.

[Turnsky]

well some of us do use thier computers for more than gaming and the occaisonal document, take myself for example , i use photoshop almost constantly, and yes, i know macs could do that sort of thing as well, but i prefer not to have just one machine for one purpose, my machine is becoming quite the multipurpose machine... it's all a matter of choice... people prefer to use macs as well as i prefer to use my athlon box..

[Stryke 9]

Like I said; we don't exactly represent the majority, here.

Oh, except for Styxx. He's pretty mundane.

[Turnsky]

do you want to incur the Wrath of Styxxtm  again?

[Stryke 9]

Call it negative reinforcement. I don't have a water spritzer handy, and can't rub his nose in it, so...

[Turnsky]

i see

*continues sketching next installment of foxfire*