[deep_eyes]

Ok we all know that in Freespace 1, the encounter with the shivans led to the terran and vasudan races to consider this the greatest war they ever faught, in other words, "the great war". also because of the lovely TM behind it lol, but in freespace 2, this is not the case. no where in the game itself it is considered "the second great war", but everywhere i go at most fan based mod sites, they call it the second shivan war, and only a few others including myself, call the shivan invasions of capella and gamma draconis an "incursion". it wasnt like an all out war, it was contained to those main starsystems and the nebula. only the NTF we encountered elsewhere in the galaxy. to be politically correct here, the shivan invasion wasnt formally a war. in fs1 even in the storyline, the GTA and PVN declared open states of war against the shivans. in FS2 it was more containment of the incursion. so whos politically correct story  and ideal wise?

FS1 defined "WAR"
FS2 defined "INVASION-INCURSION"
so which is correct? u tell me?

Shivan Incursion or Second Great War?

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[jonskowitz]

Call it a war, incursion, police action, or even 'school crossing guard action', a lot of people get killed...

Philosophy aside, politically speaking I think your view is correct.  The second 'action' fought against the
Shivans was not an open state of war.  The only real war fought in this time-period was agains the NTF, (which was defeated at Gamma Draconis) the rest of the game is a 'Containment Action' (which failed misserably by all accounts).

[LAW ENFORCER]

Yeah that sounds right...

[deep_eyes]

 

Originally posted by jonskowitz:
Call it a war, incursion, police action, or even 'school crossing guard action', a lot of people get killed...

Philosophy aside, politically speaking I think your view is correct.  The second 'action' fought against the
Shivans was not an open state of war.  The only real war fought in this time-period was agains the NTF, (which was defeated at Gamma Draconis) the rest of the game is a 'Containment Action' (which failed misserably by all accounts).

exactly my whole point, over confident humans and the vasudans just played along with the terran side views. it snice to see at 1:53 am in the morning eastern time people are still around the forums lol... anyone else agree with these views?



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[LAW ENFORCER]

1:53? its 6:55 over here!

[deep_eyes]

 

Originally posted by LAW ENFORCER:
1:53? its 6:55 over here!

AM or PM? ITS 1:58am now in NYC



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[jonskowitz]

lol

Think about it deep...  he's just to the east of you on the other side of the big pond so it would be in the AM hours.

[deep_eyes]

 

Originally posted by jonskowitz:
lol

Think about it deep...  he's just to the east of you on the other side of the big pond so it would be in the AM hours.

its late my head hurts too many axion flare renders............................


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[Shrike]

Look at WWI, it's called The Great War, but WWII was in all respects larger, except perhaps in political repercussions.  (This is a long, involved topic and not really relevant to the discussion at hand)

[joek]

This is a good topic and a good point.

I've heard the "Second Great War" and have used that, but you're right, I probably just heard that from fan sites.

So what is it called? "The War of 2367"? "The Second Shivan Invasion?"

One thing is I guess it depends on how you think about it, like if it should be called two things.

If you consider it from the GTVA vs. the NTF, the it could be called something like "The NTF Rebellion" or "The Neo-Terran War".

But for the Shivan side of the war, you have to consider it from the GTVA's point of view. They didn't think that maybe the Shivans had another purpose other than us. That they could have just invaded us with that juggernaught fleet years ago. To the GTVA, the Shivans attacked us first and so we had to fight back their second invasion (not knowing that their only goal was Capella). So from the GTVA's it could be called "The Second Shivan War" or "The Second Shivan Invasion".

So, what do we call each?

Joe.

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[aldo_14]

I refer to it as either 'the Second Shivan war', or the Capella / Capellan War.

[Mad Bomber]

I refer to it as the Knossos incident or the Capellan war.

[LAW ENFORCER]

I call it Freespcae2...

   

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[Ace]

...or we call it what Petrarch and the guys in the GTVA call it in the finale... "The Battle of Capella"

Wow! Isn't that hard?  

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[Setekh]

Hey, Joe...  

That random sig of yours is cool... clever Perl script  

[Sandwich]

First Great War is just that. FS2 started in the middle of the NTF Rebellion, and documented the Second Shivan Invasion.

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[Flipside]

I guess at the end of the day, it was an invasion..... by the GTVA. After all, they took a great deal of convincing to leave the Nebula to the Shivans, and it was the NTF who first opened the door as it were.

Flipside

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[joek]

 

Originally posted by Setekh:
Hey, Joe...  

That random sig of yours is cool... clever Perl script  

Thanks, but it's not my script, it's Matt's.  

Joe.

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[Black Wolf]

I've always thought of it as the Second Shivan Incursion, though mainly because it sounded cooler on command briefings...

[LAW ENFORCER]

You proably love that word (incusion) ever since WarcraftII? right?