[an0n]

It ultimately turned out that Bosch was trying to ally with the Shivans. This means that the 'insursion' is grouped with Bosch's actions and thus both the NTF rebellion and the Shivan attacks taken as a whole constitute a Second Great War. Thank you, thank you.

*takes a bow*

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Originally posted by an0n:
It ultimately turned out that Bosch was trying to ally with the Shivans. This means that the 'insursion' is grouped with Bosch's actions and thus both the NTF rebellion and the Shivan attacks taken as a whole constitute a Second Great War. Thank you, thank you.

*takes a bow*

but no one formally "declared war". so its not a secong great war. the power of the word politically is deeper than people realize.


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[Eishtmo]

Let me take a crack at this:

FS2, to me, is the Second Incursion, the second major encounter with the Shivans, with FS1 being the first.  But they weren't different wars.  The entire FS series is the Great War.

Think about it this way, there was never any political contact between the alliance and the Shivans at the end of FS1.  The Shivans just disappeared.  Thus, technically, there was never any peace treaty ending the Great War against the Shivans.  And so, when the Shivans reappeared in FS2, it was simply the continuation of the original war started in 2335.  This is why FS2 can be called the Second Incursion, because it was the second incursion of the Shivans on GTVA space of the Great War.  FS1 is the First Incursion, and FS3 probably would have been the Third.

It makes a bit of sense this way.

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It depends on how you look at it, but that sounds about right.

[an0n]

 

but no one formally "declared war".

I'm sorry, I must have missed the Command briefing in FS1 where the Shivans formally declared war. How stupid of me.

Technically FS1 wasn't a war. The Lucy was a scouting vessel (at least according to the back of the box). So if there wasn't a first was, there couldn't have been a second.


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Originally posted by an0n:
I'm sorry, I must have missed the Command briefing in FS1 where the Shivans formally declared war. How stupid of me.

Technically FS1 wasn't a war. The Lucy was a scouting vessel (at least according to the back of the box). So if there wasn't a first was, there couldn't have been a second.

um r u mental? no where are we talking bout the fs1-'s great war. we r concentrated on fs2. the sarcasm isnt needed.
secondly, no one as far as we all know Shivan "declared war" on humanity or the vasudans. they just came in and slaughtered everyone. so if u r quoting breifings and databases: only the GTA-PVN declared war on the SHivans not the other way around.

secondly, the first great war ENDED. like a majority here had already stated, it was a "war" with the NTF, then it became a containment issue when the SHivans returned, and it failed misserably, but nowhere throughout the game did the GTVA IN FS2 declare war on anyone.

lastly just cause it was a "Scouting vessel" doesnt mean it wasnt a war. when a nation declares war on another nation, it is openly stated as it has been throughout history. today though, we see battles and bombings with military (IE: the american assault on afganistan-taliban). people call this a war, because it is the general term for military fighting, but this country formally didnt declare war on anyone as one unit. the President just made a policy that has the military assaulting terrorist assests, thus its a war on terrorism, like the term "war on drugs" used by police all over the US. its a series of battles, and whatnot, but no-one legally has declared war on anyone as a "nation". only individuals without a nation is fighting a nation. the SHivans are just like, insects with a swarm and hive mentality and it is shown with there AI, hell even in the command briefing (which u r so big on reminding us about-i see u over looked this).

bottom line, like i said before, and a majority has agreed, is not a second shivan war or second great war. its an incursion.

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[Tar-Palantir]

   

Look at WWI, it's called The Great War, but WWII was in all respects larger, except perhaps in political repercussions.

But WW1 was called the Great War because at the time and before 1939 it was the greatest war fought. It only started to be referred to as a World War after WW2.

And by this example the FS Great War was probably only called the Great War after it had ended. Had the Shivans spread to more systems and we had defeated them, maybe the Great War would have been called the 'First Great Shivan Invasion'.

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[Nico]

all that because of one word? you all people are just weird.

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Originally posted by venom2506:
all that because of one word? you all people are just weird.

yea well when you think about it, no one really decided nor did volition decide wheather the FS2 campaign was a 2nd great war and or incursion. i was just trying to correct of confusion to newbies, and the veterans of the series who call the fs2 campaign a second great war when it really wasnt. nor did it continue from fs1. but besides all that of us agreed it was an incursion, and a failed containment issue, and the GTVA got spanked.



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[Black Wolf]

 

Originally posted by LAW ENFORCER:
You proably love that word (incusion) ever since WarcraftII? right?  

To be honest, I can't even remember it from Warcraft 2, but the game kicked donkey, so I don't really care  

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