[GrandAdmiralAbaht]

Does anyone have an educated guess as to what the GTVA's Terran and Vasudan populations are at the time of the Second Shivan Incursion?

If so, can anyone guess where most of the Terrans and Vasudan's live (what system)

Oh, yeah, and count the NTF systems as part of the GTVA, cause they're Terran anyways.

[Liberator]

Probably 60/40 Vasudan, as Terrans are supposed to be in decline.

Main Vasudan Systems include Vasuda Prime, Alpha Centauri, and Altair

Main Terran systems included Capella and Delta Serpentis.

[CP5670]

There are indications that Terrans are higher in number though; for example, in FS1 they said that 4 billion died on Vasuda Prime, which seems a rather small number considering that the most of the planetary surface was razed and there was no time for any mass evacuation. I think if the same had happened to Earth, the death toll would have been much higher especially with the increased population by that time.

I think the really major systems and centers of population are Delta Serpentis (terran), Beta Aquilae (both), Antares (terran), Vega (both), Vasuda (vasudan) and Alpha Centauri (vasudan). The NTF systems (Polaris, Regulus, Sirius) are obviously predominantly Terran.

[Galemp]

Well, it's not like Vasuda was very inhabitable... the majority of Vasudans probably lived offworld, due to the hostile climates of their homeworld. I expect millions lived in installations alone.

[karajorma]

Vega's both vasudan and terran? I'd always had it pegged as a mainly terran system. Is that just a guess cause if there is something in the game that suggests that there is a large Vasudan population I'd be interested in seeing it.

[Cetanu]

Careful with number assumptions - we know nothing about the populations in the Terran/Vasudan systems.
Example: If a race owns 1 system with 1 billion inhabitants and another race 100 systems with 1 outpost (with 1000 inhabitents) in each,  the later only got more systems...

[CP5670]

Vega's both vasudan and terran? I'd always had it pegged as a mainly terran system. Is that just a guess cause if there is something in the game that suggests that there is a large Vasudan population I'd be interested in seeing it.

Actually that was more of a guess than anything else; I was thinking about the system location when I said that, since its proximity to Deneb and Vasuda might mean that there are significant numbers of Vasudans living there.

The only one that I'm not really sure about is Sirius. It was one of the three NTF-controlled systems so that would seem to indicate a majority of Terrans, but all of three jump nodes from there lead to Vasudan systems, so there might have been quite a few Vasudans there too.

Well, it's not like Vasuda was very inhabitable... the majority of Vasudans probably lived offworld, due to the hostile climates of their homeworld. I expect millions lived in installations alone.

That would probably indeed be a factor in it but I'm not sure if it would account for this much of a difference. I think I remember the FS bible saying that all of the major cities there were domed or underground, so the weather probably shouldn't have caused that much of a problem later on with all the high tech. And even when colonies are settled, unless the conditions back home are really bad, the original homeplace tends to still have a much greater population (Earth by that time would probably have its population maxed out to full capacity).

[TopAce]

Vega:
Vega is really of the Humans, It became the human homeworld after the contact with Earth was lost. It think the number of Vasudans there is so few. Listen to the Command Briefing of Lt. Loukakis, squad leader of the 54th Hammerheads! He told this.

Vasuda Prime:
Because of the bombardments of the SD Lucifer it became INHABITABLE, so that planet doesn't capable of supporting either Humans or Vasudans any longer. Perhaps the Vasudans attempted to re-establish space installations.

Altair:
Vasudans are probably examining the ancient artifacts, but it is classified Level Zeta

[tEAbAG]

Wait a second, I thought Capella was a Vasudan world?

[TopAce]

Originally posted by tEAbAG
Wait a second, I thought Capella was a Vasudan world?

Probably was, but it is no longer that.

[Exarch]

One can probably get a good idea of which systems were colonized and later held by who by looking at the FS1 command briefings. At least, I'm assuming that the TV war was where the borders of today were drawn, so to speak, and I doubt the overall composition of system populations have changed all that much after the two sides joined forces against the shivans. Well, aside from the occasional extermination of all planetary life by the Shivans at any rate

[tEAbAG]

How many worlds did the shivans raze?

[CP5670]

Vega:
Vega is really of the Humans, It became the human homeworld after the contact with Earth was lost. It think the number of Vasudans there is so few. Listen to the Command Briefing of Lt. Loukakis, squad leader of the 54th Hammerheads! He told this.

That is just for that particular ship; the Bastion was transferred to Vega after the jump node collapse (it probably used to be based in Sol but couldn't go back there), so the "we" there is just referring the Bastion's squadrons. The main system for the Terrans during FS2 is probably Delta Serpentis since IIRC that is where the colonies established the new GTA headquarters after FS1.

[Petrarch of the VBB]

Yeah, it'll just be the Bastion's crew that calls Vega "home".

Just listened to that CB, you see, adn that's how it sounds.

[TopAce]

Originally posted by tEAbAG
How many worlds did the shivans raze?

If they begun with Ross 128, then they advanced as:
Ross 128-Ikeya-Betelgeuse-Ribos-Antares-Vasuda-Beta Aquilae-Delta Serpentis-Sol. You can follow the events of the Great War from the Command Briefings of FS1.

FS2 has two systems gone: Capella and Gamma. Capella has gone nova, and its node from Vega was collapsed, making Gamma Draconis unreachable unless the GTVA doesn't discover any alternate nodes to Gamma Draconis or Vega

The Shivans annihilated Altair 4 and Vasuda brutally. It is altogether 10, if I don't count Sol, Gamma Draconis and Altair 4.

[tEAbAG]

Originally posted by TopAce

The Shivans annihilated Altair 4 and Vasuda brutally. It is altogether 10, if I don't count Sol, Gamma Draconis and Altair 4.

Ouch, that'll put a dent in your productivity.

[TopAce]

Originally posted by tEAbAG


Ouch, that'll put a dent in your productivity.

How do you mean 'to put a dent'?
I don't know this expression

[tEAbAG]

The loss of that many worlds hurts the economy quite a bit.  All that destruction of infastructure, as well as the markets that those planets represented, must have been quite a blow to recover from during the Reconstruction.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by tEAbAG
Wait a second, I thought Capella was a Vasudan world?

Huh? Where did you get that from? It's deep in human space, all the installations in it were Terran and the Aquitaine's fleet were based there.

Okay I'll post my list and lets see who disagrees.

Terran worlds.

Dubhe
Alphard
Wolf 359
Barnard's Star
Luyten 726-BA
Laramis
Ross 128
Delta Serpentis
Regulus
Polaris
Epsilon Pegasi
Mirfak
Adhara
Procyon A
Capella


Vasudan worlds


Altair
Aldebarran
Alpha Centuri
Deneb


Mixed/possibly mixed


Beta Aquilae
Sirius
Vega (possibly considering it's location but everything points to it being Terran)

No data on anything to the right of Antares. from FS1 it looks like parts of the T/V war went on there.

Oh, I have no explaination for what vasudan forces were doing in Ross 128 at the start of FS1. As far as I can see they would have had to pass through the Terran's second most important system to get there.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by TopAce


If they begun with Ross 128, then they advanced as:
Ross 128-Ikeya-Betelgeuse-Ribos-Antares-Vasuda-Beta Aquilae-Delta Serpentis-Sol. You can follow the events of the Great War from the Command Briefings of FS1.

FS2 has two systems gone: Capella and Gamma. Capella has gone nova, and its node from Vega was collapsed, making Gamma Draconis unreachable unless the GTVA doesn't discover any alternate nodes to Gamma Draconis or Vega

The Shivans annihilated Altair 4 and Vasuda brutally. It is altogether 10, if I don't count Sol, Gamma Draconis and Altair 4.

Okay. Much strangeness here. The shivans only razed Vasuda and Capella. There is much mention of the fact that the Shivans are ignoring planets and only seeking to control the nodes in FS1.

Sol and GD are also cut off but not destroyed (hopefully)