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Offline Flaser

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Not HW, but Hard War?
on: May 22, 2003, 11:20:29 am
It was once again suggested that HLP should have a Home World section (if we don't count the guys - and girls - at Apocalypse), that the admins once again had to deny for reasons beyond their control.
However the same signo goes for another great program, albeit not a space-sim simulation, but the next best thing, a sort of glider simulation in one of the best atmospheric environments ever seen.
It's Hard War.

It's the greediest, meanest moth simulation ever written whacked up with a superb economy model.
We dare call it Elite 2 - if not for the feir of the Elite veterans, who prefer to be angels of our galaxy.
For on the surface of Titan, in Misplaced Optimism one thing is sure: There are no angels here.

I guess the community should consider giving it a shot.
There already is a community at Aborwood Forums and now they have a bulletin too, but still HLP would be benefical for them too.
The makers of HWar - Software Refinery - has breaken up, and their grand project was left unfinished.
Brave souls however tempt to get hold of the source code and finish the epic.

That's where our source coder specialists and all-round coders come into play.

Do we care to give them a hand?
Would we like to know their ideas?
As for all the Hard Warers among us, would it be nice to give them a ground of their own?

PS. to any admin: could you make this a sticky please?
"I was going to become a speed dealer. If one stupid fairytale turns out to be total nonsense, what does the young man do? If you answered, “Wake up and face reality,” you don’t remember what it was like being a young man. You just go to the next entry in the catalogue of lies you can use to destroy your life." - John Dolan
 

Offline 01010

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Reply #1 on: May 22, 2003, 12:21:05 pm
You win my vote for most bizzare post.
What frequency are you getting? Is it noise or sweet sweet music? - Refused - Liberation Frequency.
 

Offline tEAbAG

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Reply #2 on: May 22, 2003, 01:04:06 pm
How is it bizzare?  Seems kinda cool to me.
If happiness is a warm gun and love is a battlefield, why should we give peace a chance?

C-130 rollin' down the strip
hits a rock and start to tip
its all right, its OK
full of soldiers anyway

I think we should go Mung his dead grandma. - anOn
 

Offline Petrarch of the VBB

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Not HW, but Hard War?
Reply #3 on: May 22, 2003, 01:07:34 pm
This gets my support. HardWar is severely under-rated.
 

Offline Xavier Lazarus

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Not HW, but Hard War?
Reply #4 on: May 22, 2003, 02:07:35 pm
Indeed it is.

More people need to be able to visit me in my tower, so that I can decipher messages for them.
You probably don't remember tea.
 

Offline Unknown Target

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Not HW, but Hard War?
Reply #5 on: May 22, 2003, 02:59:50 pm
it's ugly as hell. I think it looks good in concept, but I can't play it for more than ten minutes at a time before I start to get pissed off at the low-res textures and text that's undecipherable, and the near-impossible-to-learn-without-a-manuel controls.
 

Offline Flaser

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Not HW, but Hard War?
Reply #6 on: May 22, 2003, 03:12:57 pm
Hard War is hard - there's a reason for the title - but worth the effort.
You should start with contraband trade. Take a big loan, buy as much alcohol or narcotics you can, then start the trade.
Buy a hangar as soon as you can so you don't have to pay for repairs. (with patch 3.x this will be good for several other things)
Get a bigger container, better software - especially power soft. - and first of all a cell 2.
If you work hard you should be able to pay the loan and still make enough money for a Neo-Tiger. Strip down your moth in yout hangar before buying the new moth. Buy the components you need and change them yourself in your own hangar.
Watch out for other people carrying narcotics. If you can snatch their cargo its worth 40.0000 $!!!

And don't buy autopilot soft!! It makes landings slow and clumsy.
"I was going to become a speed dealer. If one stupid fairytale turns out to be total nonsense, what does the young man do? If you answered, “Wake up and face reality,” you don’t remember what it was like being a young man. You just go to the next entry in the catalogue of lies you can use to destroy your life." - John Dolan
 

Offline Petrarch of the VBB

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Not HW, but Hard War?
Reply #7 on: May 22, 2003, 03:15:31 pm
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
it's ugly as hell. I think it looks good in concept, but I can't play it for more than ten minutes at a time before I start to get pissed off at the low-res textures and text that's undecipherable, and the near-impossible-to-learn-without-a-manuel controls.


I've told you before, you can configure your own controls through the launcher, HardMan.exe.
 

Offline Unknown Target

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Not HW, but Hard War?
Reply #8 on: May 22, 2003, 03:18:27 pm
I did. Everything's cranked up to max, and it still looks ugly. :p ;)
 

Offline Petrarch of the VBB

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Reply #9 on: May 22, 2003, 03:20:28 pm
How queer. Are you sure you're not running it in software? :p

I see from another thread that your system is very similar to mine (same RAM an GFX card anyway), and it looks quite acceptable on my machine.
 

Offline Rictor

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Not HW, but Hard War?
Reply #10 on: May 22, 2003, 03:38:36 pm
how about a link or something, since it seems like everyone here seems to know whats going on except me.
 

Offline Petrarch of the VBB

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Reply #11 on: May 22, 2003, 03:40:23 pm
You can have a link to the main HardWar fansite, if you like.

http://zedo.hardwar.org.uk
 

Offline Rampage

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Not HW, but Hard War?
Reply #12 on: May 22, 2003, 05:58:35 pm
What the diddily is "Hard War"?  I visited the site.  Plus, I can't find it in stores!  (Eh.  Must be a UK thing.)
 

Offline Unknown Target

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Reply #13 on: May 22, 2003, 06:31:31 pm
You can get it off of Home Of the Underdogs. But it seems to be missing a few files.
  

Offline Flaser

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Not HW, but Hard War?
Reply #14 on: May 22, 2003, 06:31:34 pm
Check the first post.
Beside Hardwar is an Elite like game, where you have to gain as much money as possible, while you fly your moth - a flying craft used on the surface of Titan.
You can gain money by trading, scavenging, bounty hunting, or pirating.
Actually you'd be doing most of these if you want to be truly sucessful.

By the way you can get Hardwar free a HOTU:
Home of The Underdogs - Hardwar
This is the no.1 Hardwar community page.

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To anyone asking what Hardwar is check first HOTU, then Captain Zedo's page:
Home of The Underdogs - Hardwar
This is the no.1 Hardwar community page.


I hope that takes care of it - even the -'m gona read last entry guys.
"I was going to become a speed dealer. If one stupid fairytale turns out to be total nonsense, what does the young man do? If you answered, “Wake up and face reality,” you don’t remember what it was like being a young man. You just go to the next entry in the catalogue of lies you can use to destroy your life." - John Dolan
 

Offline Flaser

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Not HW, but Hard War?
Reply #15 on: May 22, 2003, 06:38:44 pm
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Originally posted by Unknown Target
You can get it off of Home Of the Underdogs. But it seems to be missing a few files.


Actually it's the demo that HOTU is offering.
It's missing videos, and the soundtrack.
The soundtrack is high quality industrial techno - which I can't qualify since I'm not into techno or industrial.
As for the videos - ther are funny FMVs recorded with English(!) actors who speak an accent almost as bad as mine.

You can get the ISO images from someone at the HW community though. I did...
As for me doing something for you...64 kbits/sec, that how much ISDN can handle. So I'm technically not up to uploading the ISOs.
If someone gives me FTP acces I may consider uploading the music - it's only circa 100Mbytes.
"I was going to become a speed dealer. If one stupid fairytale turns out to be total nonsense, what does the young man do? If you answered, “Wake up and face reality,” you don’t remember what it was like being a young man. You just go to the next entry in the catalogue of lies you can use to destroy your life." - John Dolan
 

Offline Petrarch of the VBB

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Not HW, but Hard War?
Reply #16 on: May 23, 2003, 02:03:33 am
Most of the cutscenes were recorded in Leeds by Gremlin Digital Video, which explains the actors' accents.
On a similar note, listen to the last track to CD2 to hear the team finishing the game.

Oh, and I did find this HardWar forum
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Offline HotSnoJ

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Not HW, but Hard War?
Reply #17 on: May 23, 2003, 05:36:49 am
WOW what a HardWar following here at HLP!

Haven't played it for a while though, to much MODing FS and playing FS2. ;7

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What the diddily is "Hard War"? I visited the site. Plus, I can't find it in stores! (Eh. Must be a UK thing.)

Acully it's not just a UK thing. It was marketed in the US but InterPlay (read: CraperPlay) didn't think it would go far and never did a whole lot for it. Think FS and FS2. So then SoftwareRefinery sorta went down the money hole and started to do something else (don't have a clue what it was) but they did make patches for the game. They eventual got to U3 but never completed it and so the latest patch that works well is U2.07.

Recently SoftwareRefinery liquidated all their property and went out of business. (thats why U3 was never finished)
I have big plans, now if only I could see them through.

LiberCapacitas duo quiasemper
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Offline Petrarch of the VBB

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Not HW, but Hard War?
Reply #18 on: May 23, 2003, 05:51:22 am
I only found the game by looking in a charity shop, and I NEVER saw it in a mainstream game shop like EB or Game.
 

Offline J.F.K.

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Not HW, but Hard War?
Reply #19 on: May 23, 2003, 06:50:35 am
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Originally posted by HotSnoJ
It was marketed in the US but InterPlay (read: CraperPlay) didn't think it would go far and never did a whole lot for it. Think FS and FS2.


No wonder I've never heard of the damn thing... :sigh:
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