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Offline Turnsky

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what show?
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if it's been going on for so long that trees have developed not only a tolorence to it but in fact a relience, I would say that sounds sustainable, and posably part of a cycle that predates the Aborigines. though admitedly I'm probly not as well informed on the subject as you are (being that you live there and all :) )

[edit]you do live there right? hopeing I remembered that right[/edit]


Yup, I do... anyway, a couple more facts for you: it's only two or three species that have developed this reliance; about 60% of Australian flora and 80% of Australian fauna were forced into extinction by the Aborigines. Not a pretty picture at all.
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what show?


Dude, Welcome to Tazmania. Commonly known as Taz.

It's kinda neat, the one thing I know about your country, is Taz.
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Offline Turnsky

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Dude, Welcome to Tazmania. Commonly known as Taz.

It's kinda neat, the one thing I know about your country, is Taz.


oh that show, didn't know what you were on about there for a sec,

tassie devils don't spin, although they make just as much noise...
word for the wise, buy earplugs when you go camping in the tasmanian bush..;)

EDIT: tassie devil stuff
http://www.tased.edu.au/tot/fauna/devil.html
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Offline Bobboau

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how do you know that it was due to the natives and not climactic change?

note; I'm not the type of person that thinks every primitive culture lives in perfict harmony with nature, or my definition of harmony is somewhat diferent.

I do find it somewhat hard to beleve however that the relitivly small population could have eradicated such large percentages, especaly with some of the rather mean customers that were down there. but not imposable.
would you happen to have an article or some evedence on hand?
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Aborigines were on australian soil for about 40,000 years
wheras, europeans(my spelling sucks) have been in aust for over  200..

wee bit of a time difference there;)
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I do find it somewhat hard to beleve however that the relitivly small population could have eradicated such large percentages, especaly with some of the rather mean customers that were down there. but not imposable.



Eh? Define "Mean Customers" - Australia was unique because it had few large mammalian predators, and few predators at all really. Plus there were a lot of Aboriginals here, not as many as Europeans of course, but quite a few of them, and spread all over the nation.
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the largest predator that was down here was the thylacine, which was confined to tas(of course) now adays it's the devil, and both mostly ate carrion
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Depends I guess. If you mean mammals, when the settlers arrived, then yes I'd be inclined to agree with you. But don;t forget the crocs up north, or the other largeish predators in the fossil record. We never had anything particularly massive (at least, compared to they prey animals of the time, but we had some decent ones contempoary to the Aboriginals.

Hell, go back far enough, you find the Allosaurus and the Kronosaurs :D
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actually, nowadays.. excluding the saltwater croc (which could eat a gator for breakfast) humans are pretty much the largest meat-eater on land...

lesse.. cats, foxes, rodents, rabbits..wild dogs, water buffalo, camels, goats, pigs.. we've introduced practically them all;)
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well for starters in the Pleistocene era you had the Thylacoleo carnifex and prissidens, that would be fairly unpleasent to run into in the middle of the night, there was the Megalania prisca and Quinkana not mamalian but unpleasen none the least, there was a giant killer kangaroo who's name I can't remember (or find, but I remember reading about it a few years ago though), Sarcophilus laniaris, other non preditory animals that would probly rather kill you than look at you.
many of these went extinct less than 20,000 years ago, durring the last ice age, when many other animals around the world got it
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actually, nowadays.. excluding the saltwater croc (which could eat a gator for breakfast) humans are pretty much the largest meat-eater on land...


lions and stuff are larger than you ;)
but yeah, you gotta be more frightened by some small animals, when you're on the ground ( spideys, hornets, etc, some of them are very nasty, and many of them happen to live on the bigbig island :p ). water, on the other hand... "shudders"

edit: funny how "hornets" with the letters written in the propper order makes much more sense :doubt:
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sorry, i shoulda mentioned "in australia"..:p

and yes, we have the largest species of trapdoor spider..

the sydney funnel-web..

and australia, has LOTS of very poisonous creatures;)
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so that is why you go to sleep with a high powered gun

  

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no, that's for T-rex. for the lil friends, you have Green Baygon and/or Yellow Baygon :p
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What about Canadian forest fires...we've got those too.  There is a reason why they sometimes call in Canadian equipment to fight forest fires.  We've got more forest than many countries have territory :D
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well, I suppose every country has forest fires anyway. lots of them in south of France too. In the Landes, with all those pine trees, it burns like nothing.
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Hm, didnt know we had forest fires. I would imagine that the places most suceptible to them would be the Praries, and they're mostly barren AFAIK. But thats probably saying more about my knowledge of Canadian geography than it is about forest fires...