[Stryke 9]

Eh, he's got all the technical stuff down, he's just a little deficient in the imagination department. Which is rather important to being a writer, so to some extent your teacher's right.

[Nico]

"looks at King's bio"
"looks at King's cash"
alright, he sure seems to get his life from writing, or else my brains are ****ed up. He would be laughing out loud, if he could see that thread

[Stryke 9]

So? Just because, say, Britney's sucked enough dicks to get onto every radio station on the ****ing planet doesn't mean she can sing any better than a donkey being flogged with a pair of cats being strangled.

King is "marketable", he is not a "writer". By your definition, the guy who writes technical manuals for MS Excel is on the same level as Shakespeare. It's a purely modern perspective to consider the worth of something solely by how much money it makes, and an unfortunate one. If people like you had your way, there would be no art, no literature, no nothing. People would only write to fill out accounting forms.

If I didn't have a boycott against that idiotic eye-rolling smiley, it would be here right now.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
So? Just because, say, Britney's sucked enough dicks to get onto every radio station on the ****ing planet doesn't mean she can sing any better than a donkey being flogged with a pair of cats being strangled.

King is "marketable", he is not a "writer". By your definition, the guy who writes technical manuals for MS Excel is on the same level as Shakespeare.
 

Oh? Coz you know my tastes? How cool! My definition of cool books would be illustrated by books from JRR Tolkien, Dan Simons, Franck Herbert, Irvine Welsh, Tom Clancy, Philip Jose Farmer, H.P. Lovecraft. You can stuf your sarcasms up your ass for all I care, coz I hate people who thinks they "know" just coz they've read a sentence.
I'm not a fan of King or anything, I'm just replying to the fact that the sentence "stephan king couldn't write to save his life" is ubber stupidity, since writing brings him more money that most of the peole here will never get. You can dispise what he writes, well, i'm sure he'd think the same from your opinion.
You're entitled to your opinion, he's entitled to write whatever **** he wants and earn millions from people who don't share your point of view.

[Stryke 9]

Personal taste has nothing to do with this, twit. I, personally, can't stand Hemingway, and find Faulkner pretty dull at times, too. Yet I don't go around saying they're bad writers. I hate hate HATE most of what Heinlein has to say, can't stand his jerk writing style and pontificating "dialogue", and yet I never say he can't write. THAT'S personal taste. Saying that the likes of Danielle Steel and Stephen King isn't, and if you honestly can't tell the difference between personal taste and common sense, that speaks volumes about you.

[Knight Templar]

He is right stryke. The Idea of reading Kujo or Pet Cemetary does make me want to go to pluck my eyes out with a cell phone, but he aparently makes a ****load of money, so it's lame insult to compare him to a tech manual writer.

C'mon, I know you can do better than that.


Oh, Old Man and the Sea 0wns j00

[Nico]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
Personal taste has nothing to do with this, twit. I, personally, can't stand Hemingway, and find Faulkner pretty dull at times, too. Yet I don't go around saying they're bad writers. I get sick of a lot of Vonnegut's endless asides in some of his earlier stuff, and yet I never say he can't write. THAT'S personal taste. Saying that the likes of Danielle Steel and Stephen King isn't, and if you honestly can't tell the difference between personal taste and common sense, that speaks volumes about you.

How could I doubt! Since you're obviously the entity that, on Earth, decides what's wrong and what's right! How could I dear question your opipion? oups, sorry, Your opinion???
Alelujah!!!
the twits spits on your shoes, big mouth.

[Stryke 9]

KT:

Originally posted by Stryke 9
It's a purely modern perspective to consider the worth of something solely by how much money it makes, and an unfortunate one.

You know... some of the best authors and artists in history died paupers. In fact, most of the greatest geniuses ever did. Not because they had poor marketing skills, but because they wrote stuff that wasn't aimed to sell well so much as tell the truth, to be what it was, and to be done right. Hallmark cards are supposed to sell well, Dylan Thomas told the truth. Hallmark has made billions, Thomas's works probably never garnered more than a million. Who's a better poet, the guy writing Hallmark cards or Dylan Thomas?

And if you say the former, I will seriously find a way to hurt you.



Venom: Black is white. And anything else you say on the matter is purely your miseducated, malformed opinion, and I don't want to hear it, because if you disagree you're obviously a fool.

For that matter, rocks can fly, I am Superman, and you are German.

[Turnsky]

well, king's retiring when he finishes his last works..
(while he's still got loads of money i might add)

[Knight Templar]

Are we argueing over how to best make money or if harry potter was a good book? I don't feel like backpedaling right now really...

[Nico]

Originally posted by Stryke 9
KT:
 Who's a better poet, the guy writing Hallmark cards or Dylan Thomas?

And if you say the former, I will seriously find a way to hurt you.

as I don't know either, I guess you can save a few brainstorming as how to reach me

Venom: Black is white. And anything else you say on the matter is purely your miseducated, malformed opinion, and I don't want to hear it, because if you disagree you're obviously a fool. [/B]

I agree on the opinion ( I think that was clear from the begining, tho you blatlantly ignored that fact ), I disagree on the fact that since you ( or I, for that matter ) think so, it has to be the same for everybody. As an exemple, I can't stand rap, I don't think that's music, I have an almost pathological repulsion towards that thing. I think it's hell turned into sounds. nah, I think it's hell turned into noise. And as it almost physically hurts me ( yeah, I know, I'm weird, go on, have fun ) I think it should be banned from existence. That said, I have friends who listen to that, I'll just step away, I won't think they're retards or anything. Nah, that's not true, I think they're retard when they listen to that, can't help it, BUT I don't think I'm right just because of that.
My miseducation ( oh, that'll pass this time, but I consider this a direct attack against how my parents raised me, and I won't stand it another time, be warned - not that I could do anything agaisnt you, that is ) leads me to think that way, thank you.

[Stryke 9]

I think this thread stopped having to do with Harry Potter by post 2... Something about the artistic qualities of King's work, and how he's apparently one of the best writers in the history of Mankind because he's netted more bread than most of the classics ever did.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Knight Templar
Are we argueing over how to best make money or if harry potter was a good book?  

dunno, I want to try it, but I could never get my hands on one.

[Stryke 9]

Venom: Read more carefully, willya? Some things are simply not opinion. That was the point of that entire last post. And the one preceding it. People may buy King books because they're entertaining. I can see that. But nobody who has any sense is willing to argue that he's a great writer. Like I said, he's deficient in some rather important areas that are necessary to writing- not as a technical activity, which any fully-functional kindergartener can do, but as an art form, which maybe one person in ten thousand can. In fact, it would be a curable deficiency if only he'd stop obsessing over the bottom line- he wrote a guidebook on creative writing that is, frankly, one of the best pieces of literature made in the past ten years- top 200, maybe, but that's still damn good-but he hasn't done that for any of the rest of his writing, at all. As a person who is attempting to become one of those one in ten thousand, the idea that base income has anything to do with is is ridiculous and offensive.

[Turnsky]

i retract my last statement..

i'll just say this...

i didn't like king's earlier books much personally(tommyknockers especially), they relied on a 'scare factor' to creep you out, it was there, it was just lame..
but a few: The dark tower series of books (5 in all?)
The talisman, and its sequel  Black House, the stand..
(oddly enough, if you read the above books, they strangely tie together- there's references from each of the other books in the dark tower and black house)
and a few others i can't remember the names of..

the above books don't really quantify in the "horror" genre(i know i'm repeating myself a little here) they're not there to pose a scare as such, but more or less tell a story, much in the same way tolkien's works do:nod:

besides, "the gunslinger" (the dark tower series) has some of the coolest revolver gunplay imaginable..

[Knight Templar]

well I'll leave you guys with this: Read Ender's Game. Very Good book imo. But then again, liked Tom Clancy when I was 10.

[Nico]

ah well, I'm bored with that subject.
you wanna become a writer?

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Zeronet


Gah, i pointed out it was a Childrens book and got attacked by fanatics.

If you couldn't be bothered to answer me on the original thread don't resurrect the arguement on this one. Especially to call me a fanatic. I've only read the first two books anyway.

Originally posted by Zeronet


According to our local fanatic, all of tolkiens books were kids books too.

Wrong yet again. I said that LOTR started out as a kids book and then evolved into something else. I said that The Hobbit was a kids book. Find me the line where I mentioned anything else by Tolkien on that thread and I'll quite happily eat my words.

Originally posted by Zeronet


Its not interesting, its nonsense. Kids don't read books on the scale of the LOTR trilogy.

I read LOTR when I was 8. I know several other people who had read LOTR before they entered their teens. Just cause you didn't read it when you were a kid don't assume no one else did.

[Knight Templar]

me? If you only knew.

[Turnsky]

you were probably reading "the anachist's cookbook" when you were 10:p