[Flaser]

Originally posted by Venom
heh? why me?

Sory I wrote that in a single breath and I confused CP's comment with yours, he said taking up arms or whatever wouldn't have any effect.

[an0n]

I actually like the sound of that place.

It's got military precision. A simple system of promotion and punishment. Basically, lots of order. And it is effective.

Notice how there is no mention of anyone being beaten or raped, or the guards carrying guns, or anyone being petty and evil. Sounds a lot better than most boarding schools.

All you've got to worry about there is following the rules, which anyone with half a brain and a little self-discipline can do. Whereas at every school the world over you've not only got to worry about the rules, but also the other kids taking a disliking to you, the teachers being petty, activities and study which you don't like or want to do.

Basically, it seems like a Buddhist retreat with guards.

If they taught some useful skills (unarmed combat, mechanics, carpentry, boxing, armed combat, politics etc) and allowed more parental visits, I'd send my hypothetical kid there.

[Flaser]

Originally posted by an0n
I actually like the sound of that place.

It's got military precision. A simple system of promotion and punishment. Basically, lots of order. And it is effective.

Notice how there is no mention of anyone being beaten or raped, or the guards carrying guns, or anyone being petty and evil. Sounds a lot better than most boarding schools.

All you've got to worry about there is following the rules, which anyone with half a brain and a little self-discipline can do. Whereas at every school the world over you've not only got to worry about the rules, but also the other kids taking a disliking to you, the teachers being petty, activities and study which you don't like or want to do.

Basically, it seems like a Buddhist retreat with guards.

If they taught some useful skills (unarmed combat, mechanics, carpentry, boxing, armed combat, politics etc) and allowed more parental visits, I'd send my hypothetical kid there.

You're in serious need to get your head examined man...

[Pera]

Did you read those comments by the ex-students?

The students all describe their pre-programme selves using the same subjective descriptions, such as 'ignorant' or 'disrespectful', as if these were neutral adjectives, like 'brown'. Their delivery, too, is disturbingly similar, for the words come out like empty envelopes, emotionally vacant.

'When I was sent here I was very upset,' Kate tells me. Her voice is careful but dull. 'My parents didn't tell me I was coming here. They tricked me.' She smiles a faraway, inscrutable smile. 'I had to have the police escort me on to the plane.'

How do you feel about it now? 'I think it's great. The fact that I changed my life is great.' And what's your relationship like with them now? 'It's great.' What spark Kate and others have is lit only by Kay and the chaperones, towards whom a faintly flirtatious electricity seems to flicker. These children do not just obey rules. They seem to have been psychologically rewired.

I was almost expecting someone to say they were using ludovico treatment.  

Edit: Almost forgot my favourite part:

Scott remembers a new boy being caught with incriminating used tissues; masturbation is strictly forbidden. 'And they got him up in front of everyone right after dinner, and the upper-level kids just ripped into him, this little 13-year-old kid. It was kind of the entertainment for the night. That's what I mean about breaking kids.'

[Petrarch of the VBB]

They're not allowed to wank?!

We're definitely attacking the place.

[vyper]

Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
They're not allowed to wank?!

We're definitely attacking the place.

yeh the rest of the human rights violations was bad enough but this takes the biscuit...

[Petrarch of the VBB]

Well exactly. The beatings I don't mind, but not being able to wank?

[Bobboau]

is there an organised resestince for this?
I will leave tonight if someone can point me to something dedicated to physicaly breaking these places.
if not can we do anything?

[Bri_Dog]

Oh my God........how the **** do people get away with **** like that!?

[vyper]

Originally posted by Bobboau
is there an organised resestince for this?
I will leave tonight if someone can point me to something dedicated to physicaly breaking these places.
if not can we do anything?

There is not physical response possible to this.

Its currently legal - anyone interested in a web campaign to change that?

[an0n]

Morons.

Aside from the fact that I highly doubt any of you really even care on anything other than a superficial, "everyone expects me to be outraged" level; This has always and will always happen.

It is human nature to lust after power (and subsequently money). So as long as the people who run these places still want power, and the parents still want power over their kids, places like this will continue to run, regardless of what anyone says or does.

Also, web campaigns DON'T ****ING WORK! They're useless garbage. I mean, who the **** is gonna give a rats ass about the opinion of a group of disgruntled geeks who've got nothing better to do than form non-profit pressure groups?

Nothing you can do will ever stop it.

[Bobboau]

**** legal.

[vyper]

[q]Morons.

Aside from the fact that I highly doubt any of you really even care on anything other than a superficial, "everyone expects me to be outraged" level; This has always and will always happen.

It is human nature to lust after power (and subsequently money). So as long as the people who run these places still want power, and the parents still want power over their kids, places like this will continue to run, regardless of what anyone says or does.

Also, web campaigns DON'T ****ING WORK! They're useless garbage. I mean, who the **** is gonna give a rats ass about the opinion of a group of disgruntled geeks who've got nothing better to do than form non-profit pressure groups?

Nothing you can do will ever stop it.[/q]

(1) People wanting to make a difference are not morons, they're people with more guts that you'll ever have.

(2) Yes, I do actually feel genuine outrage at this.

(3) Bob, what else would you suggest? We can't form our own militia ...

[an0n]

*sighs*

Fine.

*waits to see how long this ill-fated little endeavour lasts*

[Bobboau]

as much as I would like to, no, we can't form our own militia, we lack resorces and organisation, the only other option that I could see is trying to spread some light on this, but we would need some media personality to take this up for there to be enough for anything to posably be done, it isn't beond the relm of posability for some news/magazine thing (such as 20/20 date line, one of the calbe talkshow guys) to make this into a short term well known atrocity, but seeing as it is mostly for rich kids I doubt it has sticking power.

that said if there was a militia avaiable somewere for liberateing a few of these I'd join up now, but...

[an0n]

Neeeeoooouurrrrrmmmmm.......*BOOOOMMM*

[Bobboau]

that's it! we'll hi-jack a plain and crash it into the admissions office!!
great idea an0n!

did you have that saved?

[an0n]

What saved?


And there wasn't really any idea, I just posted my vacation pics in the wrong place *fondly remembers his hotels surface-air missile turrets*.

[Nico]

Originally posted by an0n
Morons.
[...]
Nothing you can do will ever stop it.

Your profile indicates that most of the guys there are like you, rebels, anarchists, that think only of stupid useless weapons and crap, who are against any form of authority bare their own. You'd be sent there, you'd turn into the kind of people you dispise most, and you pray that thing? Inconsistancy to the highest degree if you ask me.
That said, you say all this just to try and make people shocked, nothing more, imho. As usual.

[Black Wolf]

Why the **** haven't these kids rebelled on their own?!? I mean, they're obviously fairly rebellious to begin with, they probably have some idea of their rights, and while they might not have many, Psychologial toruture can't be included as something acceptable.

Based on the admittedly probably skewed perspectyve of the website and te more true to life of the article, I'd say it might be possible to escape, at least at oe of the higer levels. And if you can escape, you could get ti the embassy of your respective naion and explain the situation. Parently guardianship or otherwise, this can;t be tolerable.