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Reply #40 on: August 06, 2003, 02:58:15 pm
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Pfft.... small play. ;)
 


except it doesn't seem to work. at least not for me (using opera)
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Reply #41 on: August 06, 2003, 05:51:44 pm
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except it doesn't seem to work. at least not for me (using opera)


Opera, eh? Try viewing it in IE and see if whatever isn't working works. Did this just get broken with this latest update?

Anyone else using Opera and not being able to view the parser?
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Reply #42 on: August 06, 2003, 06:10:17 pm
Exploder loads it poifect. :)
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Reply #43 on: August 06, 2003, 06:55:22 pm
Oi know, I wanted Kode to load it in Explorer so he could see  how it was supposed to be, and tell me what's different in Opera.
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

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Reply #44 on: August 07, 2003, 04:39:33 am
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Originally posted by Sandwich


Opera, eh? Try viewing it in IE and see if whatever isn't working works. Did this just get broken with this latest update?

Anyone else using Opera and not being able to view the parser?


that navigational thingy didn't work yesterday. seems to work today tho. odd.
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Reply #45 on: August 07, 2003, 12:54:38 pm
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Pfft.... small play. ;)

And that's all from one single index.php... it generates the frameset and both the left navigation bar and the main section. :D

Heck, I even added the page title! ;)

Should I keep posting the PHP code? It's getting kinda big... 7kb ATM.


You rock my world. Post a link to a txt file containing the code--or add an option to cause the PHP to spit out its own code. Something like "...tbl_parser/index.php?raw", if you follow me.
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Reply #46 on: August 07, 2003, 03:22:02 pm
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I fixed it a while ago, but forgot to post. Sorry.


I still don't see the ship names in the main frame. :confused:
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Reply #47 on: August 07, 2003, 04:12:06 pm
They're there... I get them atleast.
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Reply #48 on: August 07, 2003, 07:38:19 pm
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I still don't see the ship names in the main frame. :confused:


What browser are you using? Take a screenie, if you don't mind. :)
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

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Reply #49 on: August 07, 2003, 07:44:52 pm
sorry, my head hurts. can someone put this in layman's terms?
  

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Reply #50 on: August 07, 2003, 08:15:43 pm
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sorry, my head hurts. can someone put this in layman's terms?


Simple. Go here and look at what the page does to a regular ships.tbl. :)

Anyway, after coding in frameset generation, I tried to go over the script, fix a few bugs, and modularize the thing into functions. Ha. Ha-ha. Ha-ha-ha. :rolleyes:

Anyway, after enough frustration for one day, I decided to streamline the whole thing by drawing up a flowchart for the parsing process. Lacking a nearby paper and the strength to get up and hunt one down, I ripped open my cellphone bill envelope and started writing. ;)

I've attached the file - feel free to nitpick and find things I missed before I start coding again. :p
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

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Reply #51 on: August 07, 2003, 08:56:33 pm
oooooh, ok, major koolio. :yes:

What you're trying to do is make it so that you can edit .TBL formats in this fashion, right? That's a great idea, will really help the new guys with .tbl modding, and streamline the process for the vets ;)
 

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Reply #52 on: August 07, 2003, 11:52:41 pm
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Reply #53 on: August 08, 2003, 07:24:14 pm
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oooooh, ok, major koolio. :yes:

What you're trying to do is make it so that you can edit .TBL formats in this fashion, right? That's a great idea, will really help the new guys with .tbl modding, and streamline the process for the vets ;)


In the end, yeah. First of all, though, is making sure that it parses .TBL files perfectly, otherwise if I try to actually build .TBL files with this thing, it could be majorly screwy.

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Where have all the ship names gone?

There's a screenshot. :cool:


Hmm.... that's weird. What color depth are you running at? And which browser?

The white blocks aren't the ship names, BTW - that's the ship species, with each species having a differently colored background - green for Terran, beige for Vasudan, Red for Shivan, and two other colors - teal and blue, I believe - for Ancient(s) and anything else. :)

Mik and anyone else interested, I've attached the source code for the frames version. :)
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

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Reply #54 on: August 09, 2003, 12:11:16 am
Er, ignore that. That's the result of accidentally making a color in the GIF transparent. :nervous: Those look fine, normally.

In the main frame, though, the ship names don't show up - the links don't work, either.

Here's the chunk of missing stuff for the Ulysses:
Code: [Select]
$Name:                          GTF Ulysses
$Short name:            TFight
$Species:                       Terran
+Type:                          XSTR("Space Superiority", 2939)
+Maneuverability:       XSTR("Excellent", 2940)
+Armor:                         XSTR("Light", 2941)
+Manufacturer:          XSTR("Triton / Mekhu", 2942)
+Description: XSTR( " ", 2943)
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Reply #55 on: August 09, 2003, 07:37:55 am
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Er, ignore that. That's the result of accidentally making a color in the GIF transparent. :nervous: Those look fine, normally.

In the main frame, though, the ship names don't show up - the links don't work, either.

Here's the chunk of missing stuff for the Ulysses:
Code: [Select]
$Name:                          GTF Ulysses
$Short name:            TFight
$Species:                       Terran
+Type:                          XSTR("Space Superiority", 2939)
+Maneuverability:       XSTR("Excellent", 2940)
+Armor:                         XSTR("Light", 2941)
+Manufacturer:          XSTR("Triton / Mekhu", 2942)
+Description: XSTR( " ", 2943) [/B]


Hmm... that is weird. What version of IE is that happening under? And is that the page online, or are you running the PHP locally or on some other server, perhaps with a differently formatted ships.tbl?
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

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Reply #56 on: August 10, 2003, 08:09:55 pm
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Er, ignore that. That's the result of accidentally making a color in the GIF transparent. :nervous: Those look fine, normally.

In the main frame, though, the ship names don't show up - the links don't work, either.

Here's the chunk of missing stuff for the Ulysses:
Code: [Select]
$Name:                          GTF Ulysses
$Short name:            TFight
$Species:                       Terran
+Type:                          XSTR("Space Superiority", 2939)
+Maneuverability:       XSTR("Excellent", 2940)
+Armor:                         XSTR("Light", 2941)
+Manufacturer:          XSTR("Triton / Mekhu", 2942)
+Description: XSTR( " ", 2943) [/B]


Examine the page source in IE when you're missing stuff. You might also want to send Sandwich a copy of the html you're seeing. that would let him see if there's an intermittent failing in the script or other such problem.
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Reply #57 on: September 27, 2003, 03:03:51 am
Bumpitty! :)

Ok, I've got a few questions about the .TBL files:

1. What's with these lines? [q]+Description:         XSTR( " ", 2943)
$end_multi_text[/q]

The use of $end_multi_text seems to be optional, and seems to be used after an XSTR() thingy. Can anyone tell me more? SCP dudes, perhaps?

2. The XSTR() itself has those mysterious numbers in the second half. When writing one's own table entry, I've been told to put in a -1 to avoid any conflicts. So what's the purpose of those numbers anyway?

3. Why do some lines start with a "+" as opposed to the regular "$"? Are they sub-data types of some sort?
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"The very essence of tolerance rests on the fact that we have to be intolerant of intolerance. Stretching right back to Kant, through the Frankfurt School and up to today, liberalism means that we can do anything we like as long as we don't hurt others. This means that if we are tolerant of others' intolerance - especially when that intolerance is a call for genocide - then all we are doing is allowing that intolerance to flourish, and allowing the violence that will spring from that intolerance to continue unabated." - Bren Carlill
 

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Reply #58 on: September 27, 2003, 03:18:51 am
i can't really help with the tables or PHP stuff, but i like what you're doing, and i see a major use for this in FW (http://nodewar.penguinbomb.com/fleetwars/)
because we were thinking about dynamicly generating everything from the table to the mision itself using PHP.
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Reply #59 on: September 27, 2003, 09:17:40 am
What really grabed my attention was the possibility to eventually store this in some real database. Now, that would be awsome - SQL anyone?

Beside I think this work should have been done ages ago, Sandwich you're one of my personal heroes!
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