[Shiva-jin Buu]

Do you think the Bosch's noble motives (the eventual saviour of mankind, through the new alliance with the Destroyers) were inspired by the GTI's Hades rebellion from Silent Threat?

They seem to be... and in both cases they were opposed by the GTVA, (or the GTA and PVN back in FS 1). Why? Did the GTVA not see the true Shivan threat? Or were they just too proud to admit it, and went against common sense to destroy the two noble rebellions?

Another thing... since the GTVA pretty much ruled the whole of Terran-Vasudan space, Aken Bosch had to use the anti-Vasudan sentiment to gain a sizable support for his rebellion. Could that be why the NTF seems to be a pion in the FS 2 political game?

And idea #4

Although contact had been severed with Earth since the Great War, there could still be radio-contact. Emitted from the system closest to Sol, Alpha Centauri, there could be at least some degree of contact with the Blue Planet, couldn't there?

Please tell me what you think. Greets, Terra-jin

[hobnob1978]

I give you fair warning that quite a few people will go "to to this set of threads in response." as an answer.

But to answer.

a) yes he says himself he was a young pilot. He was there gfighting against them. But yuo have to wonder that what he saw that day made him think that terran future lay with the shivans.

b)Any Schism is dangerous, remember that the GTVA was rebuilding at the time of the rebellion and it almost destroyed any relationship between the vasudans and terrans. things got a bit complex.
The NTF just went about killing as many Vasudans as possible, this is not noble, many didn`t realise Bosh`s ulterior motives. He never really wanted so much mass murder either. As he says in his private log. "I am merely a fool who created a monster he is now powerless to stop.... so i will play my role to the bitter end."

c) Possibly, although we do not know how they communicate now in FS2. radio would still take too long to be of any use. I postulated once that stations and capships could send high energy subspace communications through jumpnodes by means of a comms dish. If the node is severed they cannnot maintain contact.

[Hippo]

Originally posted by Shiva-jin Buu
Terra-jin

*points out discrepencies*
*agrees with hob*

[karajorma]

Originally posted by hobnob1978
c) Possibly, although we do not know how they communicate now in FS2. radio would still take too long to be of any use. I postulated once that stations and capships could send high energy subspace communications through jumpnodes by means of a comms dish. If the node is severed they cannnot maintain contact.

That's how I see comms working too but I disagree that the distance is too large. It would take 4.3 years to send a message to Alpha Centauri and about 8 to reach Sirius (which is the closest Terran system Earth knew about). Although 2 way contact would be impossible there is no reason to think that Earth wouldn't send a "We're okay" message every year. Not to mention that both sides would want to send copies of all subspace research done in the hope that contact could be re-established.
 As for why I think there is no contact, well you'll have to wait until MG comes out

[Knight Templar]

Bosch inpired by GTI? No. Did he steal or otherwise, have some inside connection to their research on ETAK? Yes.

Noble Rebellions? Neither were "noble" per se. The GTI I think just plain old got caught doing whatever it was they were trying to do, wether it be overthrowing the GTA or killing the Vasudans. Either way, I don't think the Hades was their master plan, just another toy.

And the NTF weren't 'noble' at all. The whole point was that Bosch was using them to do what he thought was right.  Really nothing more and nothing less. As I recall him saying, thje whole anti-vasudan bit was just a idea that would spring up all the old, hardcore Terran racists into fighting for him as a smokescreen to ultimately make contact with the Shivans. Now, his contact with the Shivans wasn't intended to try to get them into an alliance with the Terrans to kill the Vasudans, I think he was just trying to get them to act peacefully to the GTVA as a whole. Ironically, it probably was in his plan for the NTF to die off at the same point he made contact with the Shivans, as they would have no place in his future plans, and were, as I said, a means to an end.

As for Earth - Alpha Centauri contact, that's a point that's fair game for campaigns.

[hobnob1978]

Didn`t someone else think about doing a campaign where the GTVA DID recive a message from Earth but sat on it as it explained earth was undergoing massive destructive internal fighting or something....

Could have sworn someone was going to do that....

mind you I can`t download many of the mods being a 56ker. Although BT says we can have BB by october. bout bloody time!

[Flipside]

Well, when you go BB, make one of your first DLoads Inferno, and that will give you another aspect on the Earth thing.
The one thing that got me about the Earth contact is that Earth would have no choice but to contact the GTVA in a way, after all, even now we are transmitting signals into space in vast amounts every single day. So yes, it is Modder Food

Flipside

[Hippo]

Originally posted by hobnob1978
we can have BB by october

I have to wait till January...

[Thor]

I would post an opinion, but it might give away the ITHOV topsecret plot, so I'll remain silent.  But those are all plausible explinations in my books.

[magatsu1]

I missed Silent Threat. Hell, I'd never heard of it 'part from on here. Could anyone fill me in on the storyline ?

[karajorma]

You sure you want us to tell you? You don't want to wait for Silent Threat Reborn and find out the plotline for yourself?

[Ferret]

Where does Allied command come from?


I know there's always comms coming form the nearest Cap Ship or which ever one you are stationed on, but where was the Cap Ship in Capella when Command bid me "God speed" Eh? Eh?

[Knight Templar]

Subspace Comms Relays maybe? Comm Stations (Remember the FS1 mission with the Betaq Communication Station)

[magatsu1]

FS1-2 Port Downlaod Time :1hr 10mins. Oh my gawd!!
I'll haved to get my broadband equipped friend to get it for me.

I think most of the Command messages come from either the Aquataine as flagship (though not always tagged as such) or 3rd fleet command, possibley using the flagship as a relay.

[Taristin]

Originally posted by Thor
I would post an opinion, but it might give away the ITHOV topsecret plot, so I'll remain silent.  But those are all plausible explinations in my books.

ITHOV

Where tha plot's so secret, even the staff is unsure of it.

[Hippo]

Originally posted by magatsu1
FS1-2 Port Downlaod Time :1hr 10mins. Oh my gawd!!
I'll haved to get my broadband equipped friend to get it for me.

Now try Inferno...

Aw, come on... It isn't that long... It's only 12 MB... 56K can handle that...

[Woolie Wool]

I watch Quake 3 demos while waiting for long downloads to finish.

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by Hippo


Now try Inferno...

Aw, come on... It isn't that long... It's only 12 MB... 56K can handle that...

err.. you mean 230mb, right? < Only took me 12 minutes >

[Hippo]

the Port is roughly 12Mb

[Eishtmo]

When it comes to the NTF rebellion, I think it's pretty obvious.  Bosch created it as a cover so he could ressurrect ETAK and find the Shivans.  It ran a touch out of control, but he didn't really need it, so he let it go.

As for the Hades Rebellion, I don't know.  It might have been a simple power grab by the GTI, but it also could have been something more.  Perhaps they thought that it was the only way to hold the GTA together after losing Earth.  Maybe it had something to do with the Shivans, some truth they discovered but aren't telling anyone about.  I don't know.  I think it'll remain a mystery for some time.

As for Command, I always assumed he was on the flag ship for one or two squadrons at a time.  He would send the orders of the Admiral or whoever to them and any ships in the area.

Actually, that makes more sense.  Command is the command of the area.  Still, he's probably on the nearest cap ship.