[magatsu1]

Hi all,
Glad to see Freespace still has some on-line activity. I thought I'd missed it all with the removal of the Violition stuff.
Anyway, may as well start with a couple of questions:
1: why does the GTD Hades appear in FRED2, but not in the game as such ?
2: anyone else had trouble with "modify-variable" in FRED2 ?
Unless I put the "event" in early, the SEXP breaks up ?!
                                               Cheers.Pete.

[Flipside]

Hi magatsu!

Can't help you with Question 2, but the answer to Question 1 is that the Hades is a Ship left over in the FS2 table files from an Extension to Freespace 1, I'll leave everyone else to tell you the whole story, since I could never get my hands on that particular campaign

Flipside

[Woolie Wool]

*Fire Control, target magatsu1.  Warm up the beam.  And... FIRE!*

Exits are to the sides and rear.  Personal flamethrowers are located beneath your seat in case of emergency or naughty disposition.  If you run into any Shivans while crawling through the ductwork, it's probably just Carl.  Give him your lunch, back away slowly, and you'll be fine.

As for your question about the Hades, It's a Silent Threat ship that appears in FRED but not in the original FS2 campaign. Silent Threat was an expansion pack to FS1 that involves the intelligence branch of the GTA turning against the rest of the GTA.

[magatsu1]

Thanks for the replies. The Hades rebellion is mentioned in the FS2 Archive, though I'd never linked it ti the Hades ship.
Just seemed strange to have a full working model in FRED.

[Woolie Wool]

Why didn't they just include all the ST and FS1 ships since they included the Seraphim, Loki, Hades, and Lucifer? I recommend you get Galactic Emperor's FS1-FS2 port. It's great stuff and includes Silent Threat. I think it's at:

http://www.3dap.com/hlp/hosted/fsport

[karajorma]

I've used modify variable a few times. What problem have you had with it? I don't quite follow what you mean when you say the SEXP breaks up.

[Black Wolf]

You'll note the Ganymede is also not in the main FS2 campaign anywhere, IIRC. And as for modify variable, I tried it once, and FRED didn;lt like it, though I'd say it was the way I was trying to use it (Modify variable A to = Variable A plus 5, again IIRC).

[magatsu1]

I'll try to explain:
modify variable has 2 lines,
(variable name)
(arithmatic +)
this makes two more lines
(variable name)
(1)- adding 1 to the variable value
when i now save, it'll either add an "op" to the + (works ok)
or both parts break down into 3 lines (which don't make any sense and are different to what was put in) and FRED2 crashes.
any ideas ?

[ShadowWolf_IH]

The Gynamede is used in multiplayer.  Other than that and what has been said about Hades, i have nothing for you.

[Black Wolf]

Yep, I know the problem you're talking about. Ufortunately though, I never figured ot a way to prevent it from happening. Someone else might have though (And If they have, I'd be more than happy to hear it as well )

[magatsu1]

can get away without using it by putting in an event with lots of "and"s + "or"s but it is a little messy.

[J.F.K.]

Welcome to HLP, mate

[magatsu1]

Hey Thanks.
Anyone been watching the Fresspace2's on e-bay, BTW?
One closed at £70!!!!:eek2:

[Akalabeth Angel]

Thanks for the replies. The Hades rebellion is mentioned in the FS2 Archive, though I'd never linked it ti the Hades ship.

   You may also notice that during the intro cutscene to FS2, it shows the Hades crashed on the planet that the battle of Deneb took place over. (which apparently is another thing wrong with that clip, as the Hades never went near there, but I didn't finish Silent Threat).

[magatsu1]

Yeah I did notice it. Though now I figure it's a one off ship,
(unlike Orions etc). Going off the intro it could have been just another ship nailed by the Lucifier Fleet.

[Cancer]

the Hades not in intro of FS2 crashed at planet? or another class?

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by magatsu1
Hey Thanks.
Anyone been watching the Fresspace2's on e-bay, BTW?
One closed at £70!!!!:eek2:

[TopAce]

Originally posted by Cancer
the Hades not in intro of FS2 crashed at planet? or another class?

Perhaps I misunderstand your post, but yes, that's a Hades-class which one you can see crashed at the surface of Deneb.

[Akalabeth Angel]

Just to clarify a bit, from what I've heard on Volition watch, the intro has a lot of problems with it, in terms of continuity or an accurate portrayal of the Battle of Deneb. The problem is that the intro was made by Interplay, not Volition.

But here are just a few things wrong:
-the Hades is crashed on Deneb. The Hades is a unique ship, and that IS the Hades on the planet. But the problem is that in Silent Threat the Hades never goes anywhere near Deneb.
-the beams from the Lucifer come from the wrong part of the hull.
-the Shivan fighter which kills the Hercules fires missiles from its gun points, and guns from its missile points.
-I think there's a Typhon destroyer there that shouldn't be, or something like that.

Basically, what the people were saying is that the intro is cool to look at. But its not really an accurate portrayal of the battle of Deneb. The intro has a lot of flaws.

[Knight Templar]

Wait for Silent threat Reborn. It'll answer stuff.