[FoxHound]

I just had some newbie questions about the vasudans, I was wondering if someone could answer then

#1, are the vasudans the surviving ancients? I mean, it seems as if vasuda prime was the sole planet that ancient survivors fled too and escaped the shivans & the lucifer

#2 what are headz? I mean, i've seen the video, but whhhyyy?

#3 whats all this about vasudans and fish? I mean, help me?

#4 do vasudans have just one sex? do they lay eggs?

[Taristin]

#3 was that stupid cheat in the mainhall that made little fish swim accross the screen...

[FoxHound]

damn, never heard of that cheat before, i'll have to find a way to try it out (anyone got a mod that puts you in the vasudan main hall without having to go through the freespace 2 campaign again? (not that I don't like freespace 2, just that it was only a couple of weeks ago that I went through the main campaign))

[Woolie Wool]

"#1, are the vasudans the surviving ancients? I mean, it seems as if vasuda prime was the sole planet that ancient survivors fled too and escaped the shivans & the lucifer"
They might be descended from the Ancients, my memory of the connection is foggy

#2 what are headz? I mean, i've seen the video, but whhhyyy?
God knows why they did the headz-in-the-box thing.

#3 whats all this about vasudans and fish? I mean, help me?
Type in vasudanswuvfishes in the barracks from the Psamtik main hall and fish swim across the screen.

[DeepSpace9er]

Vasudans cant be decendants of the Ancients because the Ancients spoke English*

* See FS1 Ancients Videos

If the Ancients did speak some other language V could have made a gargled noise translotor type device like they did with the vasudans but i guess not....

[Taristin]

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The ancients are dead. V used a human's voice because it added to the drama...

[DeepSpace9er]

ya i know... and the ancients died out cause they were all females too

[Woolie Wool]

No, they are NOT all women, they probably could not speak our language even if they learned how to (the same reason why chimps or Vasudans cannot--their vocal apparati are not suited to the task), and they died because the Shivans killed them all.

[IceFire]

I think the Ancients may have manipulated or influenced Vasudan development...thus the legends regarding a great enemy and a devastating war that would end all.

Not that its impossible to come up with that yourself...but this seems pretty rooted in Vasudan history/mythology.

[Hippo]

#4

Hm... Uh... Well...
Carl could tell you about Shivans...

[Flipside]

Wasn't the headz thing because the vasudanswuvfishes cheat also put human heads in the big tanks in the background as well as made the fishes or something?

Flipside

[Clone]

I have but two questions:

How did the Shivans know where the Vasudan homeworld was?

Why was Vasuda Prime such a desolate world?

*waits for someone to catch on*

[Hippo]

The Shivans determined the location of Vasuda Prime and Sol because they were the most heavily guarded planets. It was desolate, because it was. The vasudans adapted to it. Its like asking, why is earth 70% water. Because it is.

[hobnob1978]

1/Possibly the HOL. As they worsipped the Shivans they would not really have bothered to prevent them from tapping into communications that would probably contain coordinates to the Vasudan homeworld.

2/ Because it`s got a hotter sun? Because it is a desert planet? there are many reasons why.

Although all points are valid.... we will never know.
(plays sad violin).

[Clone]

Urgh.

Vasudans = Ancients.

The Shivans went straight for Vasuda Prime because they knew exactly where it was because they'd annihilated it before. And we know the Lucifer's beams screwed the ecosystem because they did it the second time 'round too.

As I recall, the first ever thing to be attacked in a mission is a Vasudan freighter.


And why would the Shivans attack the Vasudans/Ancients? Well maybe because they were stomping across the galaxy and wiping out everything in their path till the Shivans stopped them.

I'm not too up on FS1 history, but I'm reasonably sure that the Terrans only started getting completely boned by the Shivans after they declared a truce with the Vasudans.

[Turnsky]

Originally posted by Clone
Urgh.

Vasudans = Ancients.

The Shivans went straight for Vasuda Prime because they knew exactly where it was because they'd annihilated it before. And we know the Lucifer's beams screwed the ecosystem because they did it the second time 'round too.

As I recall, the first ever thing to be attacked in a mission is a Vasudan freighter.


And why would the Shivans attack the Vasudans/Ancients? Well maybe because they were stomping across the galaxy and wiping out everything in their path till the Shivans stopped them.

I'm not too up on FS1 history, but I'm reasonably sure that the Terrans only started getting completely boned by the Shivans after they declared a truce with the Vasudans.

ergh.. no... think about it.., anyone remember Ross128? (the star system people) it was wiped of all Trace  of life... somehow i don't think the shivans are sloppy as to leave a few survivors... and besides.. there is something about the vasudans being technologically on par with the terrans....

have you seen an ancient? neither have i but that's not the point.. the point is the the ancients and the vasudans are two separate races, not the one that has been blasted back to the stone-age by a xenocidal superace (shivans)

[Hippo]

Originally posted by Clone
Urgh.

Vasudans = Ancients.

NO.
The records found on altair were neither terran, nor vasudan, but their creators were annhialated by the shivans long long ago.

The Shivans went straight for Vasuda Prime because they knew exactly where it was because they'd annihilated it before. And we know the Lucifer's beams screwed the ecosystem because they did it the second time 'round too.

They didn't know where it was. If they had it wouldn't have taken several months for a 100% indestructable ship to find a planet it had been to before.

As I recall, the first ever thing to be attacked in a mission is a Vasudan freighter.

So? What does that have to do with anything? And plus, it was a cuiser IN MISSION, but the shivans had been kiling them before that MISSION in FS1.

And why would the Shivans attack the Vasudans/Ancients? Well maybe because they were stomping across the galaxy and wiping out everything in their path till the Shivans stopped them.

The Shivans destroy EVERYTHING. They do not go after a single species, they kill anything in their path.

I'm not too up on FS1 history, but I'm reasonably sure that the Terrans only started getting completely boned by the Shivans after they declared a truce with the Vasudans.

I AM up on my FS1 history, and the Terrans were just as screwed before they signed the peace treaty as they were after it.

Get over it. The Vasudans are NOT the Ancients.

[FoxHound]

ok, guys, calm the **** down

[Knight Templar]

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[Clone]

So despite the fact that no-one has ever seen an Ancient, you're dismissing my ideas on the grounds of your own assumptions.

Nice. Real nice.

They didn't know where it was. If they had it wouldn't have taken several months for a 100% indestructable ship to find a planet it had been to before.

Yeah, they could've just drifted through all those inhabitted Terran and Vasudan systems without anyone trying to stop them. Oh, no sorry, wait, they couldn't. If that was the case then FS1 would've consisted of freighter escort missions.

So? What does that have to do with anything? And plus, it was a cuiser IN MISSION, but the shivans had been kiling them before that MISSION in FS1.

And you don't think there may have been some reason why the Volition crew made the first thing actually attacked in the game Vasudan? The rest of FS has a very structured, flowing story. You don't they maybe, just maybe, extended that zest for story-telling to the first mission by putting subtle but significant events in it?

The Shivans destroy EVERYTHING. They do not go after a single species, they kill anything in their path.

Yes, and what was in their path? Oh the Vasudans and their new Terran allies.

ergh.. no... think about it.., anyone remember Ross128? (the star system people) it was wiped of all Trace of life... somehow i don't think the shivans are sloppy as to leave a few survivors... and besides.. there is something about the vasudans being technologically on par with the terrans....

You don't think having your entire civilization blasted to crap might have set the Ancients back a bit technology-wise?

have you seen an ancient?

Have you?

the point is the the ancients and the vasudans are two separate races, not the one that has been blasted back to the stone-age by a xenocidal superace

And you're basing this on......?