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Offline Rictor

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Offline YodaSean

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I'm not sure I understand how it is legal to go after the people sharing the files.  The ones actually copying the files are the people downloading...I guess they can't be tracked though :rolleyes:

 

Offline 01010

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Originally posted by Blue Lion


Hey you're right, all these artists are dirt poor :rolleyes:


No, most of the more mainstream ones aren't, however, a damn sight more literally scrape a living from the meagre earnings they make from their record label.

Do you know, Kurt Cobain was living in the back of his car 7-8 months AFTER Nevermind was released.
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Offline neo_hermes

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Whoa, i just realized your right! Major artists AREN'T poor! Infact, they're  making millions and millions of dollars a year!!! So, tell me again why downloading music is bad?
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Originally posted by neo_hermes
Whoa, i just realized your right! Major artists AREN'T poor! Infact, they're  making millions and millions of dollars a year!!! So, tell me again why downloading music is bad?


ROFL!

You know, it isn't a good idea to do what an0n tells you...

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Offline neo_hermes

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Been thinking about the RIAA.
i know.
it's funny though. :lol:
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Offline diamondgeezer

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Originally posted by Solatar
If I wanted a really kickass car but I couldn't afford it, would that make it ok to steal it?

I heard a good quote the other day - 'If I have a barrel of oil, you don't. But information is the easiest thing in the world to duplicate'

 

Offline karajorma

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Originally posted by Blue Lion
So, people don't like the the prices, so they steal it, and you blame the people who sell the songs.

I think it's about time they started smacking some of these kids around, if they were stealing anything else everyone would be all over it. If they were stealing CDs out of stores it'd be different?


If the government won't take action to stop companies stealing from me then I'm forced to take action myself. When CDs were a new format I bought CDs all the time. I was willing to pay the extra cost because I believed that CDs were more expensive to make than tapes (Either inherently or due to the economics of scale). The simple fact is that CDs were actually LESS expensive to make that whole time.

At £2 more a CD for my entire collection that adds up to several hundred pounds that was stolen from me by a deception carried out by the record companies.

Price fixing is illegal. There are laws in the EU that state that a company found guilty of operating a price fixing cartel can be subjected to fines equal to 10% of their annual profit in the EU.

Forget the high price of music, forget the fact that the companies pay their artists a very small fraction of the money they make. What I take issue with is the fact that the extra charge you pay on CDs over the cost of tapes is an illegal price hike. So when the record companies complain about theft I ignore every word they say since they don't come to me with clean hands. They are breaking the law with every CD they sell and if they dare to try to sue a single brit I will be the first one trying to convince the UK govenment that the time to tax the music industry of that 10%
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Offline Petrarch of the VBB

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I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if they don't want you to do something, then they shouldn't make it so dammned easy to do.
Take home taping, they said that was killing music, but they kept selling the blank tapes.

As long as there is music, there will be piracy, they'll never win.

And speaking of Piracy, today (the 19th) is International Talk Like a Pirate Day. YARRR!
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Offline Woolie Wool

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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB

As long as there is music, there will be piracy, they'll never win.
 


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Offline Turnsky

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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
As long as there is music, there will be piracy, they'll never win.
 


i can describe the RIAA's fight in typical austrailan fashon..

"About as easy as pushing **** up a hill with a stick"


or.. how effective they are..

"couldn't pull a greasy stick out of a dead-dog's Arse"
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Offline Grey Wolf

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Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
I've said it before, and I'll say it again, if they don't want you to do something, then they shouldn't make it so dammned easy to do.
Take home taping, they said that was killing music, but they kept selling the blank tapes.

As long as there is music, there will be piracy, they'll never win.

And speaking of Piracy, today (the 19th) is International Talk Like a Pirate Day. YARRR!
www.yarr.org.uk
Arrrr.....
But anyway, the music companies are moronic and don't understand that price gouging is what is killing their sales. I mean, come on, CDs are retailing for up to $20, depending on the CD.
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Offline Petrarch of the VBB

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Originally posted by Turnsky


i can describe the RIAA's fight in typical austrailan fashon..

"About as easy as pushing **** up a hill with a stick"


:lol:
Reminds me of one I've used on several occasions,
"Like stapling **** to a wall"

 

Offline IceFire

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Originally posted by Blue Lion
So, people don't like the the prices, so they steal it, and you blame the people who sell the songs.

I think it's about time they started smacking some of these kids around, if they were stealing anything else everyone would be all over it. If they were stealing CDs out of stores it'd be different?

No, thats not the point of the pricing complaint.  The pricing complaint is that the companies who do the marketing are essentially gouging customers by charging large amounts of money more than it costs them to make it.  At present, the record companies are probably making 90% profit...and since they all sit in a nice little cartel they set prices however they want.

The biggest problem...almost nothing goes to the artist.  As it has been pointed out, we've got artists living the luxury life...and there are a few of those people around.  For everyone of those there is a thousand other artists not recognized (ever tried dealing with these companies, I have friends who have and its not a fun experience), who scrape out a living on the bottom of the barrel, many who disappear forever their talent unheard by the rest of the world....people who have ever right and every bit as much talent as our multimilliondollar celebs do or more.

Its not a matter of the end consumer being asked to pay alot, its a matter of the end consumer being forced to pay alot more than they should have to and the artist getting virtually nothing out of it.

Stealing should never be condoned...but it is symtomatic of a larger problem.  If you've got widespread stealing and crime sprees in the city streets, you know you have social problems.  If you have widespread stealing of music online, you know that there is a problem.

People are willing to pay their money...but they would prefer to do it in a tight budget and get their monies worth.  And to the point that reducing prices won't eliminate piracy...the answer is of course it will not.  Piracy will ALWAYS be an element in human society...but it will be reduced, hindered, and relegated to a small group of people instead of the widespread masses.

Finally...yes I blame the people who sell the songs.  They set the prices, they do the marketing research, they know exactly how much money they bring in and they aren't doing badly by it either.  What they are upset about is the fact that a new medium (just like previous times in history - read about the telegraph, the telephone, and the introduction of the newspaper into european society) is destroying the old order just like the printing press destroyed the old order of the scripture writing monks.

Its happened before, it will happen again.  Eventually history will record the gradual reduction and disappearance of the big record companies replaced by small online outlets for music.
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Offline phreak

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don't musicians get most of their money from concerts and other merchandise (shirts,stickers,posters, etc)?
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Offline 01010

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Originally posted by PhReAk
don't musicians get most of their money from concerts and other merchandise (shirts,stickers,posters, etc)?


As far as I know yes, most musicians actually make way more more off the merchandise than CD sales. But I'm pretty sure it's still not all that much.
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Been thinking about the RIAA.
I have to say that I did agree with the RIAA argument initially, just because piracy is wrong.  Then they complained that they were 'loosing millions of dollars a year' and I suddenly switched sides.  They're not bothered about the fact that people are pirating the music; they're bothered that they're loosing money because people are pirating the music.

None of those overpaid, greedy bastards has any right to complain that they're 'loosing money'.  It's not as if they'd notice the difference on their paycheques, coz most of them probably can't even recognise numbers with more than 6 digits in them.  

Same principle as Microsoft's ludicrously-overpriced software, except in that case I might be willing to pay £400 for Office XP if they'd actually tried debugging it.
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Offline karajorma

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Originally posted by 01010
As far as I know yes, most musicians actually make way more more off the merchandise than CD sales. But I'm pretty sure it's still not all that much.


Maybe if everyone pirated their CD's and used the money to buy a T-shirt instead....

:D
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Offline 01010

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Originally posted by karajorma


Maybe if everyone pirated their CD's and used the money to buy a T-shirt instead....

:D


The money would go mostly to the artist and anyone that would buy merchandise over a CD gets the thumbs up in my book cause it's what I do if I have chance.

****it cause then the record companies can't complain about it hurting their artists and it just exposes them as the fraudulent, greedy, corrupt, money grubbing bastards that most of them are.
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Offline Stealth

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i've been thinking about it too...

apparently the RIAA has been fining the 261 people that it caught with fines up to $150,000.00!!!

This 12 year old girl, got a $2000 fine...  which everyone said "is too much for the poor, uneducated girl who didn't know she was doing something wrong!!!", is NOTHING on what other people got!   think about it.  $2000, compared to $150,000... yeah.

also, i have doubts about this kid's family living in "poverty"... because if they were all that poor, why would they have a cable line, and why would they even have a computer in the first place :rolleyes:  see?  i think their 'poverty level' is not really a question...