I don't want to say anything that could scare off dave, but I realy don't like the way V has gone sence about 5 months after FS2 was relesed, nearly all the staff whent silent, and though I know I'll get corected on this by dave, it seems as though there was a major shift in the way V goes about makeing games, for those of you who think V makeing FS3 as a (primarily) console game would be OK I have but only two words for you, Red Faction, it's been around for what 1/5th as long and it's comunity is alredy dead, this is becase it was unmodable and not mod frendly (exept in multiplayer were it was a little TOO mod frendly if you know what I mean), V would not relese any file formats, therefore no one could make any tools for editing the models, the tools they did relese came with dumbed down models that lacked many of the cooler features, looking into things most of the features you would have expected to be table modifyable was hard coded, about all you could do was change the aperence of some things and cheat (wich many many many people did a whole lot)