[Kazan]

I am entertaining the idea of writing PCS2

PCS2 would be a massive GUI upgrade from using straight win32 API to using the wxWindows library (platform independant object oriented GUI library)


First I need to hear a bunch of "HELL YES WE WANT THIS"s and then I need a list of suggestions for GUI changes

BTW: this would hopefully include completeing the preview window (and intergrating it into the window - PCS2 will look more like modelview)



also,..... my financial situation has gotten complicated, so even if there is a ton of interest and I want to work on this for you I may not be able too... im in a very sticky situation right now and barely had time to get FS2netD integrated... but it was something that I felt could not wait.

[Black Wolf]

While I don;t pretend to understand many...any... of those odd coder abbreviations, combining the ease of use and visual interface of MV32 with the functionality of PCS can't be a bad thing. Go for it

[KARMA]

maybe it's stupid, but would be possible to use as render something similar to the game engine? I mean, something like the fred render, or pofview. It could be faster to check in pcs immediatly after converting if your model has problems.
Anyway, I admit it isn't surely very important.
About options, maybe you could work with bobbau to make an integrated tool pcs/aurora

[Killfrenzy]

I'm interested, sure!

One thing I would ask for at a funtional level was improving the save function. Particularly WRT turrets.

Example:

Ship with two multipart turrets. I set the normals and firepoints, as well as all the coordinates and save.

Upon checking in MV32, I find that the normals are there, but the coordinates haven't been saved.

Returning to PCS and reloading the POF, lo and behold, it's saved the normals and firepoints, but NOT the coordinates that the firepoints are at.

Also, I can only do one firepoint at a time after this point, otherwise it only preserves the first thing I changed....

It's not too much of a problem with small ships, but when you've got a 3km long behemoth with a pile of turrets (the same thing happens for single part turrets) it can get very annoying.

[Nico]

Hell yes, I'm interested, if it can convert from max or gmax files
"runs away from kazan, knowing how much he hates that topic"

[aldo_14]

Yup.  Especially as it doesn't seem to be working for me on Win2000 (may be down to out of date OpenGL drivers or soemthing,though.... there's a few GUI corruptions)

But anyway, yes.  Big up PCS2.

Though, isn;t Modelview32 open source?  If it's written in the right way, maybe you could rip the respective parts out of both and combine them to form some,er, tools thingie.

[pyro-manic]

[Vasudan Admiral]

Definitly go for it if you can

pcs is awesome for lots o' stuff already, adding features to it's current impressive arsonal would be sweet and yet another big boost for the modding community

btw, on a vaguely related would it be possible to get the collision(?) data generation fixed in this new version? it seems that using pcs to convert a non-angular model, (ie many curved surfaces), pcs somehow doesn't do something quite right and there are faces that become see-thru and fly-thru at quite a few angles. (i can pm a link to a few such models if needbe ) cob2pof doesn't do this at all, but also lacks all of pcs' really cool features such as auto turret and the auto gens and un-importable aspects such as smoothing on a per-face basis and mainly pcs' reliable and limitles conversions in every other aspect,
(i was using pcs versions 1.1 and 1.3.4 for the experiments, the latter of which is the latest versions isn't it?)

[Kazan]

the not saving a point should only happen on one point and it's because you didn't click out of edit focus - AND IT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN ON A RECENT VERSION

And there is a preview window.....


MV32 is written in VB... so it's useless


[1.3.4 is latest public]

1.3.4 has perfect collision data... - the see-thru and fly-thru isn't PCSs fault - the fancier the output data the easier it dies

[Vasudan Admiral]

and i'll test those model conversions again on the new comp asap.

what is defined as 'fancy' output data also?

MV32 is definitly written in C/C++ btw.
i d/led it when it was released and bumped it's limits. it opened, and compiled in Visual C++ 6.0

[diamondgeezer]

Do it, Kazan. Or put the missing stuff in to ModelView...

[Kazan]

the snippets of MV32 i saw looked vb.... but i didn't look at all it's source

[miniDwarf]

cool, go for it, just don't tread on bob's shoes, he's got a decent one himself working

maybe you could work with him...

[diamondgeezer]

Er, Dwarf mate, PCS has been around since the dinosaurs. Bob's editor is a relatively new pet project. And to be honest, no offence to Bob the code god, Aurora's still got 'issues'. PCS is Teh **** as long as you don't push it in ways it doesn't like.

[Kazan]

haha
miniDwarf.. bobboau's treading on MY SHOES - the cob to pof conversion code he plans to use - is _mine_

[Nico]

then work on a bloody max to pof conversion instead and he won't step on you shoes ( raaah, that again ) anymore.
Not being able to convert directly my stuff ( having to go through  maxto3dstocobtopof and woomeister's forced help is kind of a drag away ) is one of the main reasons I gave up on making mods, you see ( not that you care anyway, I suppose ).

and on a side and completly unrelated note:
fuck that bloody Truespace shit.
Ah, feels better.

[Krackers87]

HELL YES I WANT THIS!!!!

[Tolwyn]

Originally posted by Kazan
haha
miniDwarf.. bobboau's treading on MY SHOES - the cob to pof conversion code he plans to use - is _mine_

lol

anyway, go for it: combine ModelView and PCS. It will be an awesome editor to use!

[Kazan]

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I am not qualified to write a 3DS converter - there is a plugin interface for PCS 1.X - use it

[Galemp]

I'm all for this.