[Kazan]

We seriously need a change control mechanism

and having a private forum is not going to keep us from posting int he public forum with updates - we're only going to post the information you need to see - not massive code dumps - you can see the code by checking out the CVS or asking for a code dump ala PM

[Drew]

thing is, us non-coders cant really figure out whats going on just by CVS... maybe it would help if someone (like Steak) could post regular reports in here...
that would keep me happy

[Gloriano]

this is so much better way:)

[Krackers87]

whats the password on the cvs server?

[Kazan]

anonymous/anonymous IIRC

[Solatar]

Jus curious, and not sure if this would help a great deal, but would it be possible for the general public to view the internal forum, but not post? That way we could see progress, but we wouldn't annoy them by asking questions about code stuff.

[Setekh]

Originally posted by Drew
thing is, us non-coders cant really figure out whats going on just by CVS... maybe it would help if someone (like Steak) could post regular reports in here...
that would keep me happy

I will certainly do my best, but I'm expecting the coders themselves do just that.

Originally posted by Krackers87
whats the password on the cvs server?

The entire procedure for getting CVS running, including passwords and logins, can be found here. Kazan remembers right though, it's 'anonymous'.

[Setekh]

Originally posted by Solatar
Jus curious, and not sure if this would help a great deal, but would it be possible for the general public to view the internal forum, but not post? That way we could see progress, but we wouldn't annoy them by asking questions about code stuff.

Has been considered, and was what I originally preferred, but the coders want to keep it this way for at least little while to see how it goes - as far as I can gather, it is just a more comfortable atmosphere (not always the feeling of having eyes constantly prying in - it makes a difference) to work on this sort of thing. We'll see how it goes.

[Taristin]

C'mon guys, even if you were able to view the internal, and not allowed to reply, what would stop you from posting a thread in the public forum, and say, "Hey, I saw you did 'blah', while you're changing that, can you do 'blah'?"

As much as I like the idea of open discussion, I think they really would benefit from an internal.

[Flipside]

Originally posted by Raa Tor'h
As much as I like the idea of open discussion, I think they really would benefit from an internal.

Say no more

Sorry, long night

[Taristin]

I know, I could have phrased that better, but bah!

[Drew]

ooo i see some of the stuff they are implementing into the scource with CVS...

i should start a CVS watcher thread

[Goober5000]

Originally posted by redmenace
I knew there was an internal forum. I was told there wasn't.

The only such post I could find was this:

Originally posted by Bobboau
what interanal forum, there is no thing...
no jig is up!....
YOU KNOW NOTHING, NOTHING!!!!
AHHAHAHAHAHAAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!
/*inhales*/
haha.... heh...

which seemed to be clearly sarcastic in tone.

Originally posted by Drew
no wonder this forum is mostly dead now....

What made you think that?

Originally posted by karajorma
But if they've got a private forum they might be saying bad things about me

We don't need a private forum for that...

*says bad things about karajorma*

j/k

Originally posted by J3Vr6
And if by a freakish chance someone out there knows code or something and has a suggestion on how to implement something from reading your private forum, they can easily post in the normal SCP forum where everyone can post.  They could just easily say:  "Hey, I read in your private forum that you're having trouble geting Y function from module X.  I think you can do it better by using blah blah blah"

Anyone is free to request internal access.  But I should mention that we prefer someone to have some familiarity with the code before they start suggesting things.

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I'm going to point people to Flipside's, Raa Tor'h's, and mikhael's posts for the various reasons for us adding a private forum.  In summary, we aren't trying to hide anything from you - we just need a quiet, uncluttered place to work. Why would we spend all this trouble adding features and then hide them from the community?

Now, one way to encourage us is to create missions that use features we add.  I've seen a whole bunch of screenshots of
Bobboau's graphical stuff, which has encouraged him to add more things like specular highlighting.  However, I haven't seen any missions with my new sexps, with custom nameplates, or with persistent variables, so I've backed away from adding anything major.  If I see people creating cool new missions with my stuff, though, that might change. This can probably go for any coder on the SCP team.

[Nico]

Mmh, I'd request access to prevent further weird names for modelling stuff ( self illum maps called glow maps, glow effects called overexposure, specular maps called don't remember what ... ) but I can't bother

[Kazan]

um venom those names make sense...

[Nico]

all those effects have real names in 3D applications. you wouldn't like a modeller to try making some code and coming with a new name for an existing command, would you? It's highly confusing, I know what I mean when i'm talking about glows ( glows being volumetric light effect that surrounds something ), but here if I'm talking glows, people will thing I'm talking about a self illumination map.

[Setekh]

[q]Originally posted by Drew
ooo i see some of the stuff they are implementing into the scource with CVS...

i should start a CVS watcher thread [/q]

Now that's an idea.

Originally posted by Venom
all those effects have real names in 3D applications. you wouldn't like a modeller to try making some code and coming with a new name for an existing command, would you? It's highly confusing, I know what I mean when i'm talking about glows ( glows being volumetric light effect that surrounds something ), but here if I'm talking glows, people will thing I'm talking about a self illumination map.

That's a very perceptive point, what are currently called glow maps should be called self-illuminating maps, and the overexposure effect should be called the glow effect.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Goober5000
We don't need a private forum for that...

*says bad things about karajorma*

[Homer Simpson] Okay Goober. Your name just made it onto THE LIST! [/Homer]  

Originally posted by Goober5000
Now, one way to encourage us is to create missions that use features we add.  I've seen a whole bunch of screenshots of
Bobboau's graphical stuff, which has encouraged him to add more things like specular highlighting.  However, I haven't seen any missions with my new sexps, with custom nameplates, or with persistent variables, so I've backed away from adding anything major.  If I see people creating cool new missions with my stuff, though, that might change. This can probably go for any coder on the SCP team.

The problem is that bob's stuff is very easy to show. Just start up the new engine with a model designed for it and bang! You can see it.  
 Your stuff on the other hand can only be shown when a campaign is released.  How can you show a SEXP in action otherwise?
 Even if I work flat out SoR is still several months away from release so all the stuff like nameplates, persistant variables etc that I am planning to use in that won't be seen for months. But be assured that I am definately using lots of that stuff in SoR and MG.

[Sticks]

The only reason I called it overexposure is because there were already glow maps and I didn't want to confuse people. If you want a proper list:

Shine Mapping (aka Specular Mapping) = Gloss Mapping
Glow Map = Emissive Lightmap
OX Effect = HDR (High Dynamic Range) Lens Glare

We will also no doubt in the future come upon:

DOT3 (Dot Product 3) Bump Mapping
Environment Mapping
Bump Environment Mapping

Maybe even:

Bump Hightmap (Used to create a bump normal map)
Cube Normalization Map
Stencil Buffer Shadowing (Self-shadowing)

That should make everyone happy.

[Nico]

roll your eyes all you want, but you can't imagine how many tiimes I has to explain something I want just because the terms aren't right, wether I use the normal term or the modeller term, so give me a break  .