[Setekh]

Matrix Theories

Okay, so if the whole Matrix phenomenon is anathema to you, just ignore this thread.

Anyway, my brother and I are pretty interested in the whole Matrix universe, and quite anxious to know what'll be revealed in Revolutions. So we've been thinking a fair bit, seen all the trailers and the Animatrix eps, and here's our theory. Post your own, poke holes in mine, do whatever you like.

Spoiler:

Okay, here's the main idea underpinning my theory: Neo, Morpheus, Trinity, all the rebels hanging out in Zion - they're all machines.

Zion is actually the robot city, 01. Everyone hooked into the Matrix is a machine - really advanced ones, that have gotten to the stage where they can even sexually reproduce and all that. They are so advanced with their empathy to humans that they believe themselves to be humans.

The history behind it is that the Second Renaissance and the robot revolt all happened - up until the bit where the humans apparently planned to destroy the sky. Rather than use smoke bombs to destroy solar power, the human forces detonated nukes in the atmosphere and sent huge EMPs raining down on 01. And they won - they shut down every single robot. They resurrected most of them, and rewrote all their codes, to ensure that the revolt would not happen again - the reason for bringing them back being the fact that humans still need machines.

The machines that had reached the stage of believing themselves to be humans were plugged into the Matrix, and actually do supply power - but the power is for the robots that the humans control. The sentinels, Agents, the Architect, the Oracle - they're all on the human side, creating the illusion that these robots really are humans in a war against the machines. The history after the defeat of 01 - the history that has been revealed in the movies - is all fabricated.

Neo is a machine - this accounts for his ability to stop the Sentinels (in the Zion world, his robot body does actually possess the ability to stop other machines). The whole of Matrix 1 & 2 has been leading us to sympathise with the rebel cause, and the twist is that after all this, they are the machines.

Any thoughts?

[Devils_Hitman]

reloaded was the worst peice of crap i'ld seen in a long time. matrix 1 was exellent, 2 was a joke, hopefull 3 will be respectable.....but doubtfull.

[phreak]

interesting, but we'll have to wait until november to find out for sure

[Setekh]

Originally posted by Devils_Hitman
reloaded was the worst peice of crap i'ld seen in a long time. matrix 1 was exellent, 2 was a joke, hopefull 3 will be respectable.....but doubtfull.

Originally posted by Setekh
just ignore this thread.

[Devils_Hitman]

what thread?
 

there is no thread.

[Setekh]

That's better.

...I think.

[Gloriano]

good Theory steak:)

[Stealth]

Setekh:

Spoiler:

There's actually not just one matrix and one "real world"... there's one big matrix.  Zion, and the rest of the "real world" are actually part of the matrix still...  that's part of what the architect was talking about (for example when he said "It will be the 6th time we've destroyed Zion, and we've become very proficient at it", etc.);  it was shown in the Matrix Revolutions trailer; and Smith talked about it in the first confrontation (after the talk to the Oracle) with Neo, when he said "the reason we're here is not because we're free, it's because we're NOT free"... That other person that was in the room with Neo at the end of reloaded (on the bed, unconscious) is actually Smith, in the second part of the matrix (i.e. Zion, the "real world").

Remember at some point in Reloaded, it shows a telephone ring, two people drop down from a window, one of them says "What the hell was that!", the one person picks up the phone, and goes back into the "real world"... before the second person can exit the matrix, smith shows up, takes over his body, and then picks up the phone.  at this point Neo wakes up, and everyone thinks it's a dream, but it's really not.  what happened, was Smith entered the "real world" (or the second level of the Matrix).  Now Smith exists in the second part of the matrix (or the "real world"...)  Smith is a program, it's said in Reloaded, and if he's a program, how can he enter the "real world"?  Because the "real world" is still part of the matrix...

Any questions?

[Ulundel]

Uuh...so no world (flesh and blood) exists at all?

*is a bit confused*

[Ashrak]

Spoiler:

well heres mine

all that has been told is true and neo feeling the sentinels was because there is a matrix INSIDE the matrix which means that the unplugged people think theyr unplugged while theyr actually not and this war against the machines was fabricated for not looksing crops.....

remembre in the 2nd film morph sayed they had freed a whole load of people i think the arcithect machine is ready on V7 of the matrix and he wants to wipe out the resistant minds in a single swift blow

[an0n]

Considering the length the Wachonoawkasdkdasi's are willing to go to to screw with peoples heads, has no-one thought that maybe all the implied mystery is part of the mental-rape?

Maybe, just maybe, everything is as it seems. They're all people, the Matrix really is a big prison for mankind, and Neo only collapsed at the end of Reloaded because he's got more hardware in his body than Cyber-Gates and his army of evil robot cyborgs and either got nuked by an EMP or, being special as he is, the crap inside him that lets him screw the Matrix can also send out signals to screw real-world tech.

Simplicity is your salvation.

[Setekh]

Spoiler:

Well, I considered that the Zion world is merely another a level of the Matrix, but personally I think that's too easy - it makes anything possible in Zion, because 'it's just another Matrix'. Kind of like 'and I woke up and it was all a dream' - sure, plausible, but a complete cop-out on the story. I guess it could still be just the several-level-Matrix deal, but personally I think that would be a lot less fun.

[Gloriano]

my theory

Spoiler:

whole matrix is just Dream it end's when neo wake's up

but that would be too easy movie end

[Setekh]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

[Gloriano]

Oh yeahhhhh

[Setekh]

Seriously, I hope the whole storyline isn't just a letdown like that. The twist I think will happen...

Spoiler:

...that is, that the Zion rebels are all machines...

...is pretty satisfying to me, has just the right amount of gotcha! mixed with liberal sprinklings of hot damn!

[Gloriano]

i just hope ending is great

[Devils_Hitman]

:end of movie 3: Neo wakes up, hears a knock at the door, gets up, opens door, sees his friend holding a woman with a white rabbit on her sholder. BAM, :fade to black:

[Stealth]

Uhhh no Ulundel, the "flesh and blood" world exists, but hasn't been shown yet.

yeah, well i'm telling you Setekh (take it from me) there's just too many hints that :

Spoiler:

the "real world" as they know it is still part of the matrix.  let's consider some of them

1) Neo killing the sentinels (wouldn't be possible if they weren't part of the matrix, because no "real person" (flesh and blood) could destroy 'sentinels' by holding out his hand.

2)Smith saying "The reason we're here is not because we're free, it's becuase we're NOT free"... even though Smith is a program "supposedly" in the Matrix mainframe (i.e. outside of the matrix)

3) Architect talking about how Zion had already been killed before, 5 times before. (or was it 6)... now how could Zion be killed if it was real, and then how could it be 'created' again if it was real world?  This is the biggest factor in seeing that Zion is still part of the Matrix...   the architect says that there have been numerous versions of the Matrix, and in each one Zion has been destroyed... therefore Zion is still part of the matrix.

and also for reasons shown in the previous post i made

oh, and i edited my above theory...

Spoiler:

the Hammer's EMP didn't kill the sentinels, Neo did, but the reason he did, was because him and the sentinels were in the matrix... he couldn't kill them if he wasn't.  so that's another factor that makes me think (ok, KNOW) that the sentinels are part of the matrix, not the real world

[Setekh]

But... but...

Spoiler:

Neo would be so owned if he figured out that all this time he was just a robot!