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Offline Antares

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Just something I was mulling over the other day.

Most of the major factions in Freespace--the GTA, the PVE, and so on--have their own stylized logos.  The NTF, the HOL, and even the SOC all have duly impressive insignias.  However, two of the most important groups in the series--the Shivans and the Ancients--have no apparent designs of any sort.  It seems rather unfair.

Has anyone ever considered drawing up a Shivan or Ancient logo?

We're fairly certain that the Ancients controlled a vast interstellar empire, indicating they would be likely to display a brand or symbol of some kind as a sign of their power and influence.  Since there is some evidence suggesting that the Vasudans are descended from the Ancients, then the symbol might be similar to that employed by the PVE.

As to the Shivans, however, we can only speculate.  We don't know if the Shivans operate on a government of any kind, and given their xenocidal tendencies, it's unlikely they would give a damn whether anyone recognized their emblem or not.  I think it might be fun, however, just to establish a design for them; it provides an excuse to play around with their trademark sharp-edged black-and-red style and create something nifty. :p

Just a thought.

On a semi-related note, I know it's possible to change the color of a subspace jump portal, but is it possible to link a given portal color to a certain species?  The FS Reference Bible indicates that originally, the Lucifer always made use of a blood-red jump portal--something that was illustrated in the cutscene debuting the Lucifer itself, a scene that was unfortunately cut from the game--and I think it would make a really nifty visual effect if it could be applied to certain Shivan ships or to the Shivans in general, without also being applied to the remaining species.

Probably more of a source code issue than an artistic one, but I know you code geeks read this forum too, so here you are. ;)
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Offline Carl

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if you explore the FS2 CDs, there is a picture in there that looks alot like what a shivan HUD may look like. maybe the weird circles on it are symbols.
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On a semi-related note, I know it's possible to change the color of a subspace jump portal, but is it possible to link a given portal color to a certain species?  The FS Reference Bible indicates that originally, the Lucifer always made use of a blood-red jump portal--something that was illustrated in the cutscene debuting the Lucifer itself, a scene that was unfortunately cut from the game--and I think it would make a really nifty visual effect if it could be applied to certain Shivan ships or to the Shivans in general, without also being applied to the remaining species.

Probably more of a source code issue than an artistic one, but I know you code geeks read this forum too, so here you are. ;)


IIRC you can already set the warphole per ship using the tbl's, and there's something like a SEXP too.
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Originally posted by Carl
if you explore the FS2 CDs, there is a picture in there that looks alot like what a shivan HUD may look like. maybe the weird circles on it are symbols.


Any idea which CD that might be on, Carl? I don't remember seeing it.
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Offline Taristin

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Must have been the Swarm-of-the-year edition...
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Offline Galemp

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The GTI doesn't have its own logo; that always annoyed me.

I'm sure the Ancient empire had some sort of insignia they used, but the Shivans definitely don't. They're utterly non-human, and don't wear uniforms or wave flags.
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Offline Bobboau

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yeah, shivans are.. yeah, insignia's don't match
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Offline Goober5000

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Originally posted by Galemp
The GTI doesn't have its own logo; that always annoyed me.

Me too.  Someone want to make one? :)

 

Offline Galemp

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Perhaps take the GTVI logo and replace the GTVA insignia with the GTA one.
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Offline Setekh

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Indeed, the GTVI logo is covered with stars - a big Terran thing. I've always suspected GTVI was actually GTI with some Vasudan operatives, not Vasudan from the ground-up.
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Offline Lightspeed

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Originally posted by Carl
if you explore the FS2 CDs, there is a picture in there that looks alot like what a shivan HUD may look like. maybe the weird circles on it are symbols.


post it :D
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Offline Black Wolf

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Hmmm - Late night stab at what a GTI logo might look like, since nobody seems to have made an alternative yet :)
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Offline Taristin

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I think it should be darker, but it's definately FS-ish in looks. :yes:
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Offline Goober5000

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Not bad.  Kinda weird, but interesting. :yes:

Any other submissions? :)

 

Offline Galemp

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Get rid of all the smaller stars and we may have a winner. :)
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Offline Goober5000

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Howabout keep them, but subtract half and distribute the rest in the four corners of the image... above and below the ring, and on opposite sides of the middle star.

 

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OK... let's make the gold darker, make the stars silver, and place one at each corner.

Whoo, I might be able to do that in 3DS Max and make a CBani out of it.
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Offline Goober5000

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More than one at each corner.  Two, or a small triangle of three.

 

Offline Eviscerator

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I have to agree that the Shivans are prolly not interested in the patriotic mindset and thus would have no insignia. If they did, I think it would have been seen as Volition would have likely thought of it, or at least considered it.
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Offline Bobboau

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if you must have something use that little triangle thingy on the from of many of the FS1 shivan ships
but, they wouldn't have anything ina symbolic form we would recognise
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