[Bobboau]

Originally posted by Kazan
I am in a lot of financial hurt
...
reperations

ok, now this rant is starting to make more sense

BTW, don't take that as an insult, just saw it and had to say it
and you'r kinda right but, eh, it's sort of odd how you are so passionatly fighting this thing,
cause, honsetly, dick sensitivity realy isn't that big a issue for me

[an0n]

From a morale stand-point (a place where I usually don't bother to venture) you're entitled to some form of compensation. From a legal stand-point (another place I dislike) you're entitled to ****-all. Your parents/legal-guardians can basically do what the hell they want to you until you're 16/18/21. It sucks but there's nothing you can do about it.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Kazan
I have the right to demand reperations for medical malpractice

what do you mean by medical malpractice? how have they wronged you? (seriously)
and what right are you claiming exactaly? Where is it in the US constitution that says, you have the right to sue whoever because they had your dick trimmed when you were 2.

plz, your parents brought you into the world clothed you, fed you, all that stuff. They chose to trim you for some reason. Go take it up with them. I think sueing someone is a little extreme.

[Kazan]

an0n: actually from a legal standpoint i am entitled - if the doctor misinformed them [which i haven't asked them yet]

Drew: How have they wronged me? Are you that daft? THEY CUT OFF MY ****ING FORESKIN

GOD you're a moron - people always try to use the constitition as the end off of everything "it's not in the constitution so.." you know jack**** about law - read up oni the site you ****ing moron

parents do not have the right to mutilate their children


some people are ****ing stupid

[01010]

Originally posted by Bobboau
what did you do as a child?
generaly speaking

Pretty much normal kid stuff, hung around with friends, played computer games, went to school, the usual crap y'know.

I think that the UK is not as bad as other countries when it comes to freedom of (from?) religion, considering the majority of the country is secular anyway.

[TheCelestialOne]

Kazan, I agree with you if its done for non-medical reasons unlike with me. I had a nasty infection and there litterally was no choice. If its done for belief/pre-emptive medical reasons its utter crap indeed. I agree with that...

But there are positive reasons. You said it was a myth that it was cleaner and you'd have less chance of infections. Why do you think they removed my foreskin? Yes, to cure an infection. Also numerous research projects have shown this to be true. Maybe not to th extend those doctors belive but it does help.

In the sexual area it also has a positive side. Because you lost nerves, it takes longer for you to reach your... pinnacle of joy (). Hence it allows more pleasure for the woman you are sleeping with. Many men reach their point too fast for a woman to be fully satisfied. Cut ppl have far less problems with this

Also, the orgasm feeling is not reduced. It just comes slower as explained above. The orgasm itself is the same as with non-cut people as it relies on the nerves in the tip of your penis not the ones in your foreskin.

I think you are looking to much to the negative sides while it has some serious advantages to it as well. I have Tiara as prove!

[Ulala]

Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Forcing things on children before they're old enough to have a say on it is one of the (many) things that fills me with rage.

So we should just let children run around and do what they want because if we told them not to stick the screwdriver into the electrical outlet, wouldn't we be "forcing something on them before they're old enough to have a say"?

Seriously, at many points, the parents have to decide some things for the child and if they decide to have their child circumsized, so be it. It's basically the parents decision until the child is 16/18/21 like someone said before. Take it up with the parents, not the religious people, not the Constitution, and not with whoever else people have started blaming. But if you start blaming, then its like.. wow I could blame my parents for keeping me from doing drugs. Dang darn my parents for keeping me from those drugs! I could be so much happier with them! I'm going to speak out and plead with parents to allow their kids to do drugs because I didn't get the opportunity. I mean.. it's just a matter of what the parents decide, and however they come to the decision, fine. I know I'm exaggerating here and am going completely off, but it seems like that's what everyone else was doing before.. so maybe I'm just following suit.

Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Forcing things on children before they're old enough to have a say on it is one of the (many) things that fills me with rage.

So, if you ever become a parent, you're probably going to be either a really bad parent or really pissed at yourself all the time for forcing things on your own child.

And "genital mutilation" makes it out a little more than it is IMO.... unless the doctor really screwed up.

[Setekh]

Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
Forcing things on children before they're old enough to have a say on it is one of the (many) things that fills me with rage.

By simply raising a child in a civil manner, you are forcing innumerable thought patterns onto them. As Ulala points out, it is the necessary responsibility of parents to make decisions for them.

[Kazan]

yes freedom from religion - it almost doesn't exist over here


our current president's father thought is quoted as saying that athiests shouldn't be citizens/have rights

he said that while he was in office

[Gloriano]

Originally posted by Setekh


By simply raising a child in a civil manner, you are forcing innumerable thought patterns onto them. As Ulala points out, it is the necessary responsibility of parents to make decisions for them.

yup i got son so i know:)

[Kazan]

Originally posted by TheCelestialOne
Kazan, I agree with you if its done for non-medical reasons unlike with me. I had a nasty infection and there litterally was no choice. If its done for belief/pre-emptive medical reasons its utter crap indeed.
I agree with that...

Originally posted by TheCelestialOne
But there are positive reasons. You said it was a myth that it was cleaner and you'd have less chance of infections. Why do you think they removed my foreskin? Yes, to cure an infection. Also numerous research projects have shown this to be true. Maybe not to th extend those doctors belive but it does help.

Faulty logic - correlation != causation

tissue with an intrenched infection sometiems has to be removed - in your case it was your foreskin which sucks large goat testis

Originally posted by TheCelestialOne
In the sexual area it also has a positive side. Because you lost nerves, it takes longer for you to reach your... pinnacle of joy (). Hence it allows more pleasure for the woman you are sleeping with. Many men reach their point too fast for a woman to be fully satisfied. Cut ppl have far less problems with this

Fallacy - the only way it would make you last longer is if you were circumcised after you became fully sexually active - so you're 'threshold' was at one point, and then your sensory input was reduced so it would take longer to reach that threshold

Originally posted by TheCelestialOne
Also, the orgasm feeling is not reduced. It just comes slower as explained above. The orgasm itself is the same as with non-cut people as it relies on the nerves in the tip of your penis not the ones in your foreskin.

So what - orgasm isn't all of sex.

Originally posted by TheCelestialOne
I think you are looking to much to the negative sides while it has some serious advantages to it as well. I have Tiara as prove!

It has no advantages - you have commited logical fallacies in your support of it - and you have quoted old falsified studies

[Kazan]

Ulala and Setekh

you're both commiting the fallacy of false analogy -- permanant and irreversable modification of the body is NOT similiar to enforcing rules/instilling ideas.

Rules/Ideas can change be changed.  Irreversable body modifications cannot be - that's why they're called irreversable

[TheCelestialOne]

Well, you might not be happy with your cock, I am. Its done, can't be reversed. Live with it. Period.

[/blunt mode]

[Kazan]

You go ahead and choose to not complain about being mutilated - that's your perogative - it is not your right to say "live with it. period." though

some of us are forced to live with something they dont want

[TheCelestialOne]

I don't see why you call it mutilated. I'm perfectly happy the way it is. I think an uncut penis is goddamn ugly.

[Gloriano]

i agree with TCO

[Kazan]

because it serves NO purpose - and it destroys are lot of important structures, not to mention it destroys the correct mechanical working of the penis

you can go ahead and be perfectly happy - it's your perogative to give into societal lunacy and the statis quo

I am not one to do so though

[Gloriano]

but some time it's needed like in TCO case

[TheCelestialOne]

Originally posted by Kazan
because it serves NO purpose - and it destroys are lot of important structures, not to mention it destroys the correct mechanical working of the penis

Originally posted by TheCelestialOne
Kazan, I agree with you if its done for non-medical reasons unlike with me. I had a nasty infection and there litterally was no choice. If its done for belief/pre-emptive medical reasons its utter crap indeed. I agree with that...

Also, the "correct" mechanical working of the penis DOES NOT rely on the foreskin. Not by a long shot. Its like saying your finger needs a fingernail to function properly. It doesn't.

[Bobboau]

life would be a lot more dificult without fingernails, I don't think that is a good example for you'r argument, pick up a dime off a hard floor without useing your fingernail and tell me the nail isn't needed for proper functionality