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OT [Adult Content]: Male Genital Multilation aka Circumcision
but that said, I don't see how foreskin is so vital to the function of the penis
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TheCelestialOne: You're massively uneducated

I suggest you start doing some research


--- for quick reference ---
the foreskin creates a "sheath->sheath" mechanism - ie the vaginal sheath then the foreskin sheath thus reducing friction - but not stimulation - during sex.  Also the foreskin never fully leaves the woman, thereby not drawing the natural lubrication out to evaporate.
[painful sex for the woman can most often be attributed to circumcision of the male]

Also - the foreskin contains most of the sexual sensory tissues of the human penis - and when the foreskin is removed so is the frenulum, the so-called "male g-spot"
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you haven't been reading bobboau: http://www.noharmm.org/advantage.htm
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Originally posted by Setekh


By simply raising a child in a civil manner, you are forcing innumerable thought patterns onto them. As Ulala points out, it is the necessary responsibility of parents to make decisions for them.


Of course. But circumcision is not something that should EVER be done without medical reasons, and it should be punishable by years of hard labor. (fortunately the doc didn't remove all of my soldier's helmet--I still have a little foreskin left)
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well you and TCO got they own points

circumcision is bad if it's not needed that's my point
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I agree that circumcision is sometimes needed - for infections etc - and then AND ONLY THEN is it ok

[if someone chooses in adulthood to have it done to them fine - but they're being stupid]
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Originally posted by Kazan


[if someone chooses in adulthood to have it done to them fine - but they're being stupid] [/B]



:nod:
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and i think it's rather a stretch to say you need to remove it because of an infection unless that's one hellatious infection
ever heard of antibiotics
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Really, Kazan, that all depends on who does the snip. My frenulum, though snipped (no foreskin obviously) is loose. Its all there, with all those excellent nerves. :D


It is possible to restore some of the sheathe-function of the foreskin, though not frenulum breve.

You'll not be able to sue the doctors, I'm almost certain. There's going to be a statute of limitations that prevents it for sure. Your parents, on the other hand, you can sue for abuse. Though, I somehow don't think that's going to help. I wish you the best, but as a juror, I honestly would vote against you. You can show that the original reasoning was false (and I'll agree with you onthat) or that studies were falsified (though you'll have to bring forth a mountain of evidence), but I can't buy into abuse, or harm. It sucks, but since you've personally got no standard to compare against personally, you can't show harm, in my opinion.

Dude. Its done. Just prevent it from happening in the future.
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Originally posted by Kazan
and i think it's rather a stretch to say you need to remove it because of an infection unless that's one hellatious infection
ever heard of antibiotics


but some times they don't work but antibiotics worked for me
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Originally posted by mikhael
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Dude. Its done. Just prevent it from happening in the future.


He should become a supervillain. The foreskinator, sent from 300 years in the future with one purpose, TO DESTROY THE FORESKIN.

Dun dun dunnnn.
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You need to lay off those drugs, 01010.
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yes 01010 is on something

mikhael: you need to do a little reading on the sites i've linked



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You need to lay off those drugs, 01010.


Any in particular, you want the list?

The irony of course being that, whilst I do partake in the occasional (yeah right!) bit of substance abuse, I'm clean and sober right this moment. Give me an hour or so though.
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Originally posted by mikhael
Really, Kazan, that all depends on who does the snip. My frenulum, though snipped (no foreskin obviously) is loose. Its all there, with all those excellent nerves. :D

Same here actually... anyway, its a moot point to discuss... Kazan hates it... I don't mind it... we ain't gonna change our minds about it one way or another. :p

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Originally posted by 01010


Any in particular, you want the list?

The irony of course being that, whilst I do partake in the occasional (yeah right!) bit of substance abuse, I'm clean and sober right this moment. Give me an hour or so though.


Stop taking the ones that caused you to make up that Foreskinator crap.
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16:46   Quanto   it itches like hell
16:46   Woolie   !8ball does Quanto have malaria
16:46   BotenAnna   Woolie: The outlook is good.
16:47   Quanto   D:

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this discussion is really about your right to choose - pre-adult circumcision removes your right to choose - especially infantile circumcision
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Isn't this blame business somewhat akin to blaming all them darn sperm for not making you a female, and making choices for you? :p
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We would never have had this argument if it wasn't for those darn sperm, because we wouldn't have had penises! Sue! Sue!
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Kazan, I appreciate your points, but you can't just keep saying 'read the source'. If we wanted we'd all start replying with 'read the source', referring to another source that claims your source is false. It gets us nowhere, and stalls discussion.
My stance is that while I'm circumcised, and don't have a problem with it because if I wasn't it'd bloody hurt every time I went for a pee, I wouldn't circumcise anyone for no reason. It would be pointless and illogical, and if they wanted to be circumcised they could have it done later in life - the process does not work the other way around. It's not something I'd argue vehemently about though, since there really isn't a major reason to or not to.

 

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Stop taking the ones that caused you to make up that Foreskinator crap.


That was a product of sobriety I'm afraid, which, in another stroke of irony, is the form that I'm least in. Go figure.
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Someone's projecting.

Anyway. What "right to choose" do you really think a child has? None legally, certainly- you're technically property of your parents until you turn 18- you get about as many rights as the family pet. Who typically, if male, has its balls cut off- be glad you got a better deal. Your parents can't kick the **** out of you on a regular basis, can't put you out with the garbage or otherwise engage in gross negligence, but if they imagine something's for your own good and are mentally competent (in the legal sense), then they're basically entitled to do it. The doctor cannot be sued for malpractice, even if he did misinform your parents (which is still far from established, you're still looking to be panicking about a whole lot of wholly unsupported generalizations and claims), because not only is he most likely retired by now, but he did what he did in good faith, and was engaging in a highly common practice accepted worldwide.

Morally? You're an infant when it happens. You don't have a say in what happens in your life- you couldn't even form a coherent thought to make a decision if you did. You're basically just there- not a functional human being yet, just a thing that has only those rights and entitlements that others choose to give you (which is, incidentially, about the case now as well, but that's neither here nor there). Your "right to choose" at that point is entirely fictitious. Do you really think you could have made a rational choice about this at that age? Do you think your parents and doctors were entitled to just stand back whenever administering any form of care might have done some harm at some point in the future? Do you want, say, your umbilical cord back? How about suing for all those painful vaccinations that gave a fair probability you'd survive to this age? You certainly didn't want them then, and there are plenty of cases of bad vaccinations causing horrible diseases and deformities later in life- never mind that it's commonly accepted that they save thousands of lives every year, they fly in the face of infant rights and unnecessarily endanger children for a cultural superstition that little germ things are going to kill people unless they get poked with needles!

If you don't want your kids to get circumcised, that's quite all right- that's a personal choice, and you have your reasons. But you're not gonna be able to sue your old doctor, and you're not winning any converts with this vehement defense of a rather crappy webpage- you wanna support the idea that it's any more than a subjective decision, that any of that stuff is true? Find a page that supports it- we've all seen plenty of looney-tune paranoid wacked-out freako pages on the Internet in our time, if one wants to stand out from all that and make a claim that goes against what basically anyone else says they'd better damn well have documentation, or at least something better than a couple of generalized terms and phrases they could just as well have made up. We know you're capable of rational thought, and sometimes rational arguments, if you really can't do better than this it's somewhat a disservice to your case, as it looks like there really isn't much better than baseless claims and hyperbole.

Or, you can sit there and sniffle about how the big bad Stryke is hurting your feewings by comparing your favoritest page in the world to the other wierd pages that don't ever bother support their wild claims. Not sure what you think it'll get you, but that, once again, is your prerogative.
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