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And the topic for today is: Fate and Free Will in Sophokles' Oedipus Rex
ok, wasn't Oedipus  about that guy that killed his father and married his mom?
first he got addopted, then he went looking for his real parents, met his real dad without recognising him, got into a fight, killed him, got into the the big city, met his mom and married her without knowing it was his mom
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And the topic for today is: Fate and Free Will in Sophokles' Oedipus Rex
Exactly.

And the question is: Was it Fate (in the form of the prophecy "Thou shalt kill thy dad, and marry thy mother") that made everything turn out the way it did, or was it his own free will (sorta).

Oh, having read the tragedy is a plus.
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And the topic for today is: Fate and Free Will in Sophokles' Oedipus Rex
well, my Latin teacher explained it to me in short, and my Greek teacher gave it some short attention.

and really, why did he go looking for his real parents again?
and who made the prophecy? i am kind of lost here, i only heard about this once, and a long, long time ago.
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He didn't go looking for his real parents. He didn't know he was adopted, so he fled the house of his fosterparents to prevent the fulfillment of the prophecy.

As for your second question, the prophecy was given by the Oracle of Delphi.
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And the topic for today is: Fate and Free Will in Sophokles' Oedipus Rex
ah, now i remember.

That Delphi Oracle always finds a way to create problems in these Greek tragedy's, doesn't it?

i see all of this as free choice, or rather accidential chance, and a nice bit of a temporal paradox. i see no such thing as something predestent, since the Oracle of Delphi oracled by inhaling vulcanic fumes, and those calls are as reliable as the prophecys from a guy on acid.
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well, yeah, but this is a play, so we can pretty much ignore that, yes.
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i never really cared for Greek play's, i prefer Roman history, it's rather fun to translate from the (somewhat edited) original.
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I always loved Greek History, that's why I just spent a week in Greece ;)

Oedipus ended up blind, but doing a lot of good for the town he lived in, as was predicted by the Delphi, so remember, if you kill your Dad and marry your Mum, you'll go blind ;)

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i like Roman stuff more, for once, i can translate it a lot better then Greek, and it involves a lot more violence, and it really happened.

most of the Greek stuff is Mythology, not History, big difference.
in school, with Latin, we go chronologicly, and we're currently around Caligula, Claudius, and Nero. mmmm, treason....
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well, yeah, but I've got to write an essay said subject, so let's go back to an in-depth analysis of Oedipus' behaviour.

Flipside, you were saying... ;)
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LOL

Well, all I will say is that stories and plays in Greek times were meant to half entertain, and half act as a social instruction manual. this is why The Iliad contains so many repeated phrases; 'So, Perseus did slice the lamb in three and one part did he offer to Zues, and after he had sliced the lamb in three and offered one part to Zues, Perseus did whatever', because it is not only telling a story, it's also acting as a kind of religious tutorage, telling you how to make an offering to Zeus (often in the unlikely event of being chased by Sea Monsters or gigantic stop-motion birds, but the thought is there ;) )
So rather than examining the story, maybe you should try looking at the social side of the play and how it instructed the audience, rather than just the 'content' of the story ;)

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From the Bible to the popular song,
There's one theme that we find right along;
Of all ideals they hail as good,
The most sublime is motherhood.

There was a man though, who it seems,
Once carried this ideal to extremes.
He loved his mother and she loved him,
And yet his story is rather grim.

There once lived a man named Oedipus Rex,
You may have heard about his odd complex.
His name appears in Freud's index
'Cause he loved his mother.

His rivals used to say quite a bit
That as a monarch he was most unfit.
But still in all they had to admit
That he loved his mother.

Yes, he loved his mother like no other,
His daughter was his sister and his son was his brother.
One thing on which you can depend is,
He sure knew who a boy's best friend is.

When he found what he had done,
He tore his eyes out, one by one.
A tragic end to a loyal son
Who loved his mother.

So be sweet and kind to mother,
Now and then have a chat.
Buy her candy or some flowers,
Or a brand new hat.
But maybe you had better let it go at that.

Or you may find yourself with a quite complex complex
And you may end up like Oedipus.
(I'd rather marry a duck-billed platypus)
Than end up like old Oedipus Rex.

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yes stu i know you need to read that book its pretty good IF you understand wtf theyr actually talking about.... anyway its pretty shure it was fate and probobly a temporal causality effect :)
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I'd go with fate.

For one, King Laius and his wife, Jocasta, were given a prophecy that Laius' son would kill Laius and marry his mother. Jocasta thus sent their baby to die in the mountains(the only way possible without being punished by the gods... which, IIRC, is to put a hook or something in the achilles tendon). The baby would then be left to die. No one would pick the baby up because it was considered 'mutilated'.

However, Oedipus was still rescued, and when he grew up he was given the prophecy that he would kill his father and marry his mother. He ran away from what he believed was his real father and mother. However, when he came to the crossroads he met with fate. A carriage carrying King Laius came along, and since Oedipus was a Prince, he thought that he had more importance. However, the King knew he had more importance and kept going. Thus Oedipus killed the driver, and when Laius hit Oedipus with a stick, Oedipus killed Laius, without knowing who he really was.

Then comes where he solves the riddle of the sphinx(very popular btw), and the people ask him to become King and throw in Jocasta(widowed wife now) as a bonus. They marry, and thus Oedipus fulfills the prophecy without even knowing.

I don't see how it could be 'choice' if he didn't even know what he was doing. Thus I'd have to say fate.

 

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Well yeah, but there are several things here that are affected by Oedipus' rather hot character: Leaving his fosterparents, killing Laios (especially this one, I mean, someone with an ounce of cold blood wouldn't have started killing people because they didn't let him pass), agreeing to become the king of Thebes, and last, but definately not least, finishing the investigation of Laios' murder. Remember, both Theiresias and Jocasta warned him not to continue, he himself knew that no good was gonna come out of this, but still, he went through with the investingation.
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