[Ghost77]

I was wondering if anybody else was having low frame rates with DX8 version of SCP. Whenever I load up that version of SCP I usually get frame rate 12.1 s to 2.0 s and the worst slow downs tend to occur when any of the ani file’s such as when ships explode or when ships warp in. This happens with both the HT&L and non HT&L versions. But when I use the Opengl version I get a steady frame rate of 30.0 s.

My specs are
400 Mhz Celeron
143 MB of Ram
Geforce 4 Ti4200
Sound Blaster 16
20 GB hardrive
Win 98SE
DX 9a

[redmenace]

well the celeron would be part of the problem. also there could be some problems with just the exe and maybe the ti4200.

[Bobboau]

your procesor and defenantly your ram are well below par, however you should be getting much better framerates than you are with that card, try running the timerbars (I think comand line -timebar, someone look into that for me) and get a screen shot of it

[Bobboau]

[Kakis]

I didn't know you even could use a GF4 with a so much older processor...

[Carl]

Originally posted by Bobboau

indeed.

[RandomTiger]

Ghost77, I used to have a system very similar.
Sadly FS2 makes much more use of your processor than your graphics card. I found that freespace didnt go much faster with my GF4 than with my TNT2!

But the code team are working on this. When HT&L is finished you should see a good frame rate increase.

[Bobboau]

what are the diferenes between THL and non HTL mode

[phreak]

in HTL the graphics card does all the work, the only restrictions there are BUS speed and video card speed

[Ghost77]

Sorry it took me so long to respond, but I really your responses. I tried using the timebar command line but every version of SCP would either give me page fault error or it would say that command line do not exist. So instead I took six screenshots to show what is happening. The first three are of the 3.5.5 version and second three are of the open_t version with HTL on.








As you can see the HTL version is faster but both versions slow way down when an ani is started such as when a new ship warps in. Also there are frequent pauses as well.
I also ran the original exe and your 3.3 version both seem to run faster than the newer versions but I don’t know the command line to show the fps for these versions.
I forgot to mention that I’m using 45.23 nvidia divers with Antialiasing and Anisotropic Filtering turn off.
I hope this helps.

Oh, like to add that even though my processor is really old I've been able to install Homeworld 2 on this computer and it runs smoother than SCP even though it has a similar framerate.

[phreak]

you are bottlenecking at the processesor and motherboard.  were going to throw out a build that turns everything off (shinemaps, glowmaps, ht&L) unless its specified by the launcher

[Bobboau]

realy need more ram, a lot, and it's fairly cheap, and FSO uses a lot of it, I think like 500 megs we have tripled the textures and... other... stuff

get more memory, and get a better procesor, and then get a better motherboard, in that order of importance

[DragonClaw]

Originally posted by Bobboau
get more memory, and get a better procesor, and then get a better motherboard, in that order of importance

Sometimes its required to get a better motherboard in order to get a better processor. Your level of importance is flawed. :thepimp:

[Bobboau]

if he can aford a faster celeron and memory but not a new mother board, he should go for the procesor and memory, I put motherboard last becase if you get a new mother board, your basicly getting a new computer and just hooking all your old stuff to it

[Ghost77]

Again thanks for the replies I really appreciate it but unfortunately I’m having a lot of personal problems and money is really tight because them and I can’t justify upgrading my computer when most of games and software I want this year run good enough for me with this setup. I was just curious as to why there was sudden drop in framerate between the DX versions but if no one else is having problems I’ll just put up with until when times are better for me.

[Trivial Psychic]

Originally posted by Bobboau
realy need more ram, a lot, and it's fairly cheap, and FSO uses a lot of it, I think like 500 megs we have tripled the textures and... other... stuff

get more memory, and get a better procesor, and then get a better motherboard, in that order of importance

Isn't there a move afoot to remove some memory-hogging features that were being tried out some time ago but disabled since they were troublesome (something about dammage decals I think)?  Wasn't this going to town down FS2_open's memory demands?  Any new word or work on this front?

Later!

[Lightspeed]

Originally posted by Ghost77
As you can see the HTL version is faster but both versions slow way down when an ani is started such as when a new ship warps in. Also there are frequent pauses as well.

well theres something messed with the warp.pof animated mapping thing. Try using the standard warp effect, it helped quite a lot here. The warp effects tended to slow down even my system to a near-halt. Newer builds and HT&L have improved that greatly, though.

Also, don't try to run recent builds without HT&L. I could run 3.5.5 with 45+ FPS all the time without HT&L whereas i get 16-18 FPS with new builds. Fotunately for me, HT&L works like a charm

[Devils_Hitman]

Originally posted by Ghost77

My specs are
400 Mhz Celeron
143 MB of Ram
Geforce 4 Ti4200
Sound Blaster 16
20 GB hardrive
Win 98SE
DX 9a [/B]

HAHAHAHAHHAHA!, i want ur Ti, ......NOW

if u have CS on your computer then i'll kill you, hahahah.

hmmm mabye its your ram....processor, hardrive, motherboard, sound card...i sugest u buy better stuff ^.^

[Triple Ace]

My old system had a 450 celeron. My advice, get a new processor.

[J3Vr6]

Wow Bobbou, you're saying Freespace now needs 500 megs of memory?!!?!?  That's.... that's..... disgustingly high.  Do todays games even need that much memory?  That would explain why I get about the same framerate w/ my laptop without htl