[Stealth]

What do you think?  Why or why not?

Feel free to use any means of proving your theories, whether Biblical, philosophical, etc.

[diamondgeezer]

I say yes, simply because it'd be boring if we're alone

Hey, what does 5K make me? I Like Volition, wasn't it?

[Rictor]

Yup, for the simple reason that the Universe is so vast. If we almost found signs of possible life on Mars, and thats just within our Solar System, then its just a mathematical probability that there is aliens out there.

[Knight Templar]

Duh. Krang and Kodos are just waiting for the momemnt humans become smart enough to enslave.

[Ashrak]

LOL KT


anyways......one of the jupiters moons...europa or something was suposed to have water [liquid] under its icey surface where life is presumed to be.....dus 2 lifeforms in our solar system X billions of stars in our galaxy X billions of galaxies = a nonexistant chance of no life

[Lynx]

Perhaps not now, but somewhere in the past or in the future. If we ever get FTL travel I think it's most likely that we#ll just find ruins of some sort.

[Levyathan]

I don't believe in aliens.

[an0n]

They have existed and will exist, but I'm not sure that they do.

And as for contacting aliens, taking into account that to find each other we'd need to be in the same place (in all the universe), at the same time (IE, they coulda evolved, explored space and died off before we could even walk upright) and using similar, recognisable technology so we could detect and/or contact them.

So all in all the chances of contact are so miniscule that it's not even worth thinking about......unless life in the universe is waaaaaay easier to come by than we think.

[Zeronet]

Mathematically they exist.

[Beowulf]

Yes.

Two scenarios:

Non-religious: The universe is so vast, even if our creation was a mathimatical impossibility, in a universe of mathematical infinity there's bound to be more than one instance of the impossible.

Religious: Why would God only make one civilization? Nowhere in the Bible does it mention humanity as being the sole benefactor of the universe. A 50-50 chance?

On analysis of these two posibilities, especially in conjunction, the chances I reason must be well over 50%.

All on red, please.

[an0n]

........If something is impossible, no matter how infinite the universe is, it still won't happen.

[Beowulf]

Originally posted by an0n
........If something is impossible, no matter how infinite the universe is, it still won't happen.

Well then, by that reasoning we can asume that life is not impossible (we exist). Altogether more likely that others do as well.

BTW, I did specify as to mathematical impossibility.

Edit: which is the same principle that applies to codes being found in the Torah text. Some of the words are so closely linked to history within such a small area that the chances are mathematically impossible. You can either believe that:

(1) An example of mathematical impossibilities at work,

or

(2) God at work.

[an0n]

.........When something mathematically impossible happens, it's because of an error in the variables, not because mathematical and real-world probability are different.

And I wasn't refering to life, I was just saying. All an infinite universe does is multiply any possibility by infinity. But if the probability is 0 to start with; 0 x Inf = 0.

As for the Bible-codes, why must it be God? Couldn't it just be a really clever man? I mean, Da Vinci was making helicopters hundreds of years ago. Some Greek goon coulda done the Bible-codes easy.

[Beowulf]

I place you randomly on the moon, blindfolded. Hand you a gun. Your goal is to shoot a particular space on earth, say a football field. Can you do it?

Yes, theoretically you could, but the chances are slim as to...

be a mathematical impossibility.

That is all I meant.

Originally posted by an0n
As for the Bible-codes, why must it be God? Couldn't it just be a really clever man? I mean, Da Vinci was making helicopters hundreds of years ago. Some Greek goon coulda done the Bible-codes easy.

No offense, but you obviously don't know what is specified in the so-called Bible codes.

[an0n]

No, the mathematical probability of a normal human-being being able to do it tend towards 0, but they're not 0 therefore it is not a mathematical impossibility.

No offense, but you obviously don't know what is specified in the so-called Bible codes.

Eat at Joes?

Enlighten me.

[silverwolf]

yes and michel jackson is my proof.

[Beowulf]

I'm sorry, perhaps it is my rhetoric that throws you off. A mathematical impossibility is different than a true impossibility. The chance of 1 in 10^50 is a mathematical impossibility, and different than a mechanical impossibility (the ability for an unaided human to--lets say--fly like birds). Obviously we know that life is not a mechanical impossibility, for we exist. However, it has been shown to be a mathematical impossibility. It is so improbable that it becomes increasingly unlikely.

As for the Bible codes, certain groups of words predict such things as the "Wright Brothers", "Airplane", and "at Kittyhawk". A clever man never would have been able to predict this, for it is a, how do you say, "mathematical impossibility". To add this in conjucnction with many other predictions of the future such as the assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995, these codes truley become a mathematical impossibility. They are obviously possible (they exist!) but mathematically they should not.

So you can see why a man such as "da Vinci" (Which really means "from the town of Vinci", not the man) could never had predicted of formulated such happenings.

~Beowulf

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by Beowulf

As for the Bible codes, certain groups of words predict such things as the "Wright Brothers", "Airplane", and "at Kittyhawk". A clever man never would have been able to predict this, for it is a, how do you say, "mathematical impossibility". To add this in conjucnction with many other predictions of the future such as the assassination of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995, these codes truley become a mathematical impossibility. They are obviously possible (they exist!) but mathematically they should not.

I missed that part.

Now where in the bible would that be?

[Beowulf]

Originally posted by Knight Templar


I missed that part.

Now where in the bible would that be?

They are in Hebrew and encoded within an array.

http://www.thebiblecodes.com/feature/codes/Truthaboutbc.htm

[Knight Templar]

Riiight...

I won't even go into how stupid that is.