[TopAce]

I am really interested in what the Vasudans did after their homeworld was destroyed by the Lucifer. The information which can be found in the database is quite modest. I find it better to ask the community.

If you ask me, I would say it is a wonder that a species could survive after their homeworld being destroyed. And according to the Intelligence database, the Vasudans could rebuild more quickly than the Terrans did.

However, Earth was also lost, but the Terrans were certainly at better situation, because they had won more battles against the Vasudans. Their technological status was also more favourable.

Opinions?

[jdjtcagle]

really all we know is what they told us.
And I read or heard somewhere that the vasudans where actully winning the VT war, when the main fs campaign starts.

[Blaise Russel]

Khonsu II is obviously the main driving force behind the Vasudan Reconstruction. I would imagine they engaged in a series of resettlement programs in various new 'Vasudan' systems.

Any advantages the Terrans had would probably be negated due to a tendency for them to concentrate too much on returning to Sol; while the Vasudans were busy settling worlds, Terrans were moping about outside the Sol jump node, their metaphorical noses stuck to the metaphorical glass.

Plus, Terran government fragmented quickly after the Great War - most likely due to a lack of a strong leader, unlike the Vasudan's new Emperor. Reuniting the various Terran system blocs required time and energy, time and energy that the Vasudans put into rebuilding their lives.

[jdjtcagle]

Amen!!
Great Campaign also Russ:)

[Blaise Russel]

Thanks!

[Woolie Wool]

I think part of the reason the Terrans reacted that way to the destruction of the Sol jump node is partly because their race does not have the same history of hardships that the Vasudans had and partly because of the "life-friendliness" of Earth and the abundant resources in the Sol System. Vasuda Prime was not quite as important because the system has few resources and Vasuda Prime itself is somewhat inhospitable. Most of the Vasudan infrastructure and population was outside of the Vasuda system. The death toll of the Vasuda Prime attack is evidence of how barren the planet was: only four billion lives were lost. If the Lucifer attacked Earth and the various colonies in the Sol system, tens, maybe hundreds of billions would have died.

In short, the Vausdans picked up the pieces more quickly because Vasuda Prime was little more than a seat of government, while the GTA was totally dependent on Earth and the various stations and colonies elsewhere in Sol.

[Knight Templar]

Hundreds of billions?

[StratComm]

A little extreme, yes, but probably more than 10 billion.  We've got 6 billion here now, and it would be a safe bet that the Earth was holding something in the neighborhood of 13-15 billion by the time of FS1.  Add to that the colonies that were probably long-established on the Moon and Mars, as well as any other Terran presence in the system.  so 20-25 billion is not an unfair estimate for number of lives lost if all humans in sol were wiped out at the end of FS1

As for the Vasudans winning the T-V war, I think that's a figment of some fan-fic.  The latest installment of Nodewars makes that assumption I do believe, but it's pretty unfounded.  There is nothing canon that indicates it was anything other than a total stalemate.

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by Knight Templar
Hundreds of billions?

Extreme high-end estimate. My guess as to the actual population of the 2335 Sol system is around 30 billion.

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by StratComm
As for the Vasudans winning the T-V war, I think that's a figment of some fan-fic.  The latest installment of Nodewars makes that assumption I do believe, but it's pretty unfounded.  There is nothing canon that indicates it was anything other than a total stalemate.

The Vasudans winning would be too cliché. The T-V War was likely a stalemate like the middle of World War I where neither side could make significant gains.

[StratComm]

The edit function is your friend Woolie.  You've been here long enough to know that.  I think the stalemate was more a matter of the war going on for so long that neither side really had the drive to win any more.  Just sort of "we'll go skirmish now, but it doesn't matter who wins."  That's not a war waged by two races bent on each others' destruction, much less one where the resources of either race are being thrown into defeating their opponent.  Think of all the breakthroughs that happened when the Shivans showed up in FS1.  When it became apparent that the Shivans were not out to piddle in their war, the GTA and PVN through everything they had into the breach, and ramped up production and R&D at home to levels not present in the T-V war.  Breakthroughs came in the 14 years before, of course, but it seems like they were more civilian driven (or driven by a military-industrial complex like the cold war era) than survival driven during that span.

Not that any of this is important to what we're talking about, I just felt like saying it

[Woolie Wool]

Yeah, the stalemate might just be because they're trying to satisfy a warmongering public.

[DeepSpace9er]

T-V war was a stalemate until Alpha 1 showed up... just like how the Neo-Terran Front was winning, until  Alpha 1 came into the picture.

Hundreds of billions?

Theoretically, if 90% of the Earth's usable soil was farmed, the Earth could support 200 billion people. But in the year 2300, 90% of the world is probably not farmed and mostly suburb/city. No other planet in the Sol system can grow food so lets say that the cap is now 30 billion. Then you take into account the ever increasing use of contraceptives, abortion, infanticide, euthanasia, homosexuality, and you get a massive decrease in population increase. Then lets say that these things increase at their present rate, thus the worlds population begins to slow way way down and come to a halt. Then lets say in the 297 years, the birth rate is 0.2 children per family. So overall, the calculation comes to around.... 2.8 billion people living on Earth in 2300.

[karajorma]

Don't you just love calculations pulled out of someones arse!

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by DeepSpace9er
T-V war was a stalemate until Alpha 1 showed up... just like how the Neo-Terran Front was winning, until  Alpha 1 came into the picture.


 

Theoretically, if 90% of the Earth's usable soil was farmed, the Earth could support 200 billion people. But in the year 2300, 90% of the world is probably not farmed and mostly suburb/city. No other planet in the Sol system can grow food so lets say that the cap is now 30 billion. Then you take into account the ever increasing use of contraceptives, abortion, infanticide, euthanasia, homosexuality, and you get a massive decrease in population increase. Then lets say that these things increase at their present rate, thus the worlds population begins to slow way way down and come to a halt. Then lets say in the 297 years, the birth rate is 0.2 children per family. So overall, the calculation comes to around.... 2.8 billion people living on Earth in 2300.

A third of today's population? Riight..  It almost makes Woolie make more sense when you put it that way.

And I don't recall the NTF winning.. they controlled a grand total of three systems...

[karajorma]

Well Bosch's goal (as far as commmand could see) was to hold on to those three systems not expand and take over the GTVA so in that sense they were winning.

[Knight Templar]

Well that's more of Bosch fulfilling his hidden agenda than it is the NTF winning, or the GTVA losing for that matter.

[karajorma]

Nope. There is one of the command briefings where they say that if they can't win the battles they will have to give in to the rebels and grant them autonomy in Sirius, Polaris and Regulus.

Command actually believed that was what Bosch was after and if it had been he would actually have been winning because the war had spread to the surrounding systems and the NTF were doing a very good job of stopping the GTVA even getting into those systems let alone winning them back.

[DeepSpace9er]

I forgot the nuclear winter parameter

[Eishtmo]

World War I would be a good comparision of the end of the 14 Year War.  There's no evidence that either had any great advantage.

The reason the Terrans suffered so much is in losing Sol, they lost nearly their entire industrial, scientific, and governmental infrastructiron.  Everything was concentrated in Sol, from shipyards to the government itself.

The Vasudans likely didn't have that problem.  Vasuda Prime was a pretty crappy place to start with, so losing it probably didn't effect the Vasudans nearly as much.  Hell, I'd be surprised if the Vasudan government wasn't actually in Vasuda due to it's close proximity to the front lines of the 14 Year War.  In any case, the Vasudans likely didn't have their economic core in the system, it was spread out throughout their space, most of which the Shivan's didn't really get to.  After the Shivans were gone, the Vausdans had the infrastructure to quickly and easily recover, the Terrans did not.