[Stunaep]

I mean, you don't have to be homosexual to have close relations between the same sex. No, really, you don't. Sam gets married in the end, remember. And Legolas and Gimli are just friends. Why is every second review I've read about ROTK about homosexuality. What's the problem? Are we really that ruined by today's culture?

Sure, Tolkien couldn't really write believable women, but Jackson pulls off what he has written excellently. And, it's not like you have a lot of women in a believable medieval (fantasy) world. If it were directed by Lucas, Legolas would have probably been a girl, and Gimli would have been a brotha'. Would you have preferred that?

[IceFire]

When Tolkien wrote Lord of the Rings society was not what it was today and the kinds of relationships present in LOTR are definately not exactly the same way relationships are now.  Males aren't supposed to be good buddies anymore or something....except that the whole Gimli-Legolas relationship is perfectly along the lines of a typical male relationship as sociologists see it...especially with the heavy amounts of competition between the two (killing orcs in numbers as competition for instance or the sort of unofficial race at the beginning of Two Towers).

This isn't some crazy homosexual relationship that they are trying to put into the movie, thats completely out of place and I agree with you that its obviously our movie reviewer crowd that are just completely out of touch with the movies history, themes, and background.

I wouldn't be surprised if half of them haven't read the books and then the other half didn't understand it or appreciate its roots in Tolkiens life.

Sorry I don't take much stock into movie reviewers especially since they seem to be wrong about 75% of the time.

[Stunaep]

I appreciate James Berardinelli. He writes good stuff.

[Triple Ace]

Who cares? I HATE LORD OF THE RINGS!

[karajorma]

This sort of thing happens all the time with books all the time. I've lost count of the number of times that read some idiot's theory about Sherlock Holmes and Dr Watson being lovers.

Never mind that Watson got married immediately after the second book. Never mind that there are a whole series of short stories that go on after his marriage and nevermind that Watson only moves back in with Holmes following the death of his wife.

Some people don't seem to be able to believe that two guys can have a close relationship without being gay. The only conclusion I can make is that either they've never had any really good friends or that they are secretly gay and therefore believe that everyone else must be too

[Stunaep]

Originally posted by Triple Ace
Who cares? I HATE LORD OF THE RINGS!

Yeah, well, don't step into the argument then. Thank you.

[diamondgeezer]

What did it do to you, Triple Ace? You allergic to reading or something?

I've already had one argument with a 'tard regarding the 'rubbish' ending of Fellowship today. I'm not in the mood for any more Tolkien bashing.

[Carl]

it's all middle school stuff, really. everyone is accused of being gay with their best friend. if two guys hang out with each other all the time, they must be gay i've heard all sorts of stupid accusations. Gilligan and the Skipper, Legolas and Gimli, Watson and Holmes, Bulk and Skull... and it'll keep going as long as there are 12 year olds in sex ed.

[Nico]

Originally posted by IceFire
When Tolkien wrote Lord of the Rings society was not what it was today and the  [...]about 75% of the time.

two things:
- LotR is not supposed to happen in the 21th century, on Earth, but in some old age on middle earth.
- I have a few very good buddies, and I'm not gay or anything, and it's not frowned upon . You live in a strange place

I know you didn't meant that regarding the movie, don't worry, but still, those concepts are there...

[01010]

Sam and Frodo definitely shared a sausage or two I'm sure of it.



Not really, but the way that their friendship is portrayed is a little flamboyant, I really must count the amount of time Sam looks fondly at Frodo, touches him in a fond way, or any other fondness that Sam shows.

[Nico]

Originally posted by 01010
Sam and Frodo definitely shared a sausage or two I'm sure of it.



Not really, but the way that their friendship is portrayed is a little flamboyant, I really must count the amount of time Sam looks fondly at Frodo, touches him in a fond way, or any other fondness that Sam shows.

I guess that's coz Sam is fond of Frodo?

[01010]

Yeah but I'm not talking about fond here, I'm talking FOND.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by 01010
Sam and Frodo definitely shared a sausage or two I'm sure of it.  

Nope. Frodo keeps putting out the fire cause it was attracts the ringwraiths (especially to Weathertop cause there are no inns in the area)

1010 : Back when Lord of the Rings was written homosexuality wasn't as overt as it is now so a guy could be flamboyant about his friendship with another guy without having to be worried about people thinking he was gay.

Carl : it's one thing when 12 year olds act that way, it's a completely different thing when people who are english professors or movie reviewers come out with the same crap.

[01010]

Originally posted by karajorma



01010 : Back when Lord of the Rings was written homosexuality wasn't as overt as it is now so a guy could be flamboyant about his friendship with another guy without having to be worried about people thinking he was gay.

 

I know I know, I was just playing

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by Stunaep
I mean, you don't have to be homosexual to have close relations between the same sex. No, really, you don't. Sam gets married in the end, remember. And Legolas and Gimli are just friends. Why is every second review I've read about ROTK about homosexuality. What's the problem? Are we really that ruined by today's culture?

Sure, Tolkien couldn't really write believable women, but Jackson pulls off what he has written excellently. And, it's not like you have a lot of women in a believable medieval (fantasy) world. If it were directed by Lucas, Legolas would have probably been a girl, and Gimli would have been a brotha'. Would you have preferred that?

You've been reading too much stuff from Landover Baptist

[Stunaep]

you know what's interesting. I've seen the homosexuality bit in american reviews only. the US is really obsessed with the political correctness and stuff, which is possibly why the homosexual bit is standing out so much for them (and I'm not trying to ignite another political discussion, really, it just hit me). In estonia, for example, noone has ever suggested such a thing, aside from one article every three or four years or so, suggesting that D'Artagnan or Robin Hood or some such was gay.

Besides, I know quite a few gay people who are really intelligent and fun to hang around with. Really. And I'm deeply, deeply heterosexual.

[01010]

Who are you trying to convince? We've all seen the pictures.

[Stunaep]

I was with a girl on that one.

[Knight Templar]

Yes, and she, with every once of her body, was more masculine than you.

[an0n]

They're riding off towards certain death and they don't once think "Y'know, this could be our last day alive. Lets get some *****es and have us a ****ing party!!!!!"

Although it's commendable the way Aaraagaargaragorn basically gives every woman who takes a fancy to him an emotional *****-slap so he can go off huntin' orcs with his boyz.