[TopAce]

Would it be possible if the game allowed to assign our player to for example Beta 2? It would be more realistic if a newbie, not experienced novice pilot at the beginning of a campaign wouldn't start as Alpha 1 at once.

[Lightspeed]

'Tis already possible.

[TopAce]

It's strange. FRED yells at me when I try to assign the player to Beta 1.

[Lightspeed]

yeah, FRED yells a lot. It still works though.

remember: NEVER trust in what FRED says

[TopAce]

But it is annoying at every time you save your mission.
And it decreases the quality of your mission much.

[Lightspeed]

why should it decrease quality?

But yeah, FRED's repeated 'warnings' are crap. "oi, look Players not Alpha 1, omg what's this? it doesnt have secondary weapons!!1111 no good, and what's this? There's some different player orders in this wing?' - 'Ok, Ok, Ok, Ok, Ok, Ok, meh...'

[karajorma]

So leave the player as alpha 1 and swap him over at the end of FREDding the mission

[Lightspeed]

and fiddle around with real Alpha Wing and 1000 SEXPs when changing it?

[Woolie Wool]

I actually will put in some missions in Starforce where you're not only Beta 1 instead of Alpha 1, but Alpha 1 actually bosses you around and you cannot give orders to Alpha wing.

[TopAce]

Good luck skipping the error messages FRED will show you.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
and fiddle around with real Alpha Wing and 1000 SEXPs when changing it?

Hmm. If you've set up a lot of SEXP's that will break try this instead.

1) Open the mission in notepad and change the +Game Type Flags:  setting from 1 to 11. That will make the mission Single AND multiplayer.

2) Assign whatever ship you want to be a player ship

3) Assign alpha 1 to not be a player ship.

4) Go into the missions specs and change the mission to training and then single to reset it back to singleplayer only (or use notepad again)

5) Laugh at how simple that was compared with clicking through error messages every time you saved.


I haven't actually tried this yet but I see no reason why it wouldn't work. Just to be sure keep a copy of the mission before you try it though.

[Woolie Wool]

I'll take the error messages. Pressing OK a few times is more simple than that.

[TopAce]

If you do not save often, then it is really simplier.

[karajorma]

You're both missing the fact that you have to do half of that anyway. The only thing that is new is using notepad for a 5 second edit.

If you make missions in a one or two hour long session then I'm sure it is quicker but since I can easily spend several hours in a FRED session and still have not completed the mission I have learned that it is sensible to save every 10-12 minutes especially since I FRED in FRED2_open exclusively these days.

Not saving often in FRED is a good way to end up howling in anger when you end up losing your entire mission.

[Falcon]

I usually use wordpad once I'm done Freding. One time I placed myself as a ursa and changed my turret to an BFRed bye bye shivans :devil:

[Black Wolf]

Originally posted by TopAce
Good luck skipping the error messages FRED will show you.

Why skip them? Just click OK a few times and you're fine. It'd probably be way too much work, with too much lost (some of those error messages have picked up mistakes for me that I'd have missed) and far too little gain.

[Goober5000]

Originally posted by karajorma
...

Or you could click the button "set as player ship" available in fred2_open 3.5.5, and avoid the whole thing.

[Sesquipedalian]

Originally posted by Goober5000


Or you could click the button "set as player ship" available in fred2_open 3.5.5, and avoid the whole thing.

Beat me to it.

[karajorma]

I did wonder what that was for

The trick for making a mission single and multiplayer was worth mentioning anyway

[Lightspeed]

yeah the set-as-player ship thing is very good

But FRED still annoys and annoys