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Offline vyper

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Reply #60 on: December 14, 2003, 12:58:16 pm
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like the one he was happily liveing in :)


Can't we throw him back in? :nervous: :lol:
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Reply #61 on: December 14, 2003, 01:25:15 pm


:lol:
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Reply #62 on: December 14, 2003, 01:33:02 pm
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Reply #63 on: December 14, 2003, 02:01:30 pm
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Well whadya know... And he was found in a hole too. hah. Oh well, who's the next big bad guy?


Assad? Arafat? Osama Mk. II?

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How convenient. How much longer till the elections, again?


:wtf: A bit less than a year - next November, IIRC... :wtf:

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For the average Arab, will this not look like a kangeroo court being controlled by the US to remove an opponent?


Eh? You do realize that if they let him loose on the streets of Baghdad, he'd probably be torn to shreds within 2 minutes, right? Muslim justice is rather.... harsh. No western justice system's punishment would seem to harsh for the Butcher of Baghdad - not to the Iraqis.
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Reply #64 on: December 14, 2003, 02:13:39 pm
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Eh? You do realize that if they let him loose on the streets of Baghdad, he'd probably be torn to shreds within 2 minutes, right? Muslim justice is rather.... harsh. No western justice system's punishment would seem to harsh for the Butcher of Baghdad - not to the Iraqis.


Arab, not Iraqi.  I'd imagine many have a degree of 'respect' for Saddam for standing up against the US.  The same would apply to any Arab leader held by the US, but Saddam is especially high profile.  

Remember, many of these people have no experience of life in Iraq, only the propaganda they see.
 

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Reply #65 on: December 14, 2003, 02:25:36 pm
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Arab, not Iraqi.  I'd imagine many have a degree of 'respect' for Saddam for standing up against the US.  The same would apply to any Arab leader held by the US, but Saddam is especially high profile.  

Remember, many of these people have no experience of life in Iraq, only the propaganda they see.


Ahh, my bad - read your post too quickly. Sorry.

Yeah, many Arabs I'd think would be supportive of Saddam, but I'd also think that there'd be just as many - who may prefer not to reveal themselves - who are as glad as the Iraqis that Saddam is out of the picture.
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Reply #66 on: December 14, 2003, 02:29:43 pm
True - i think there have been some celebrations in other Arab nations.

Unfortunately, it's the vocal minority(?) that present a problem.  Number one aim is / has to be not make Saddam a martyr to Islamic / Arab fundamentalists.
 

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Reply #67 on: December 14, 2003, 02:34:44 pm
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True - i think there have been some celebrations in other Arab nations.

Unfortunately, it's the vocal minority(?) that present a problem.  Number one aim is / has to be not make Saddam a martyr to Islamic / Arab fundamentalists.


[q]"The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other poor bastard die for his.
-- General Patton[/q]

Arafat (just using an example I'm familiar with) has said that he wants to be a martyr. I say, go for it, Yasser! :doubt:
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Reply #68 on: December 14, 2003, 03:01:47 pm
Yeah, I agree with you.
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Reply #69 on: December 14, 2003, 03:12:06 pm
The Iraqi governing council has a tribunal for these guys.
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Reply #70 on: December 14, 2003, 03:17:45 pm
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The Iraqi governing council has a tribunal for these guys.


I wonder if they're into Muslim justice or not. You know, the kind where if a man is caught stealing something, they cut off his hand.
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Reply #71 on: December 14, 2003, 03:28:13 pm
well they are mostly Muslim, so you would think that they would be into Muslim justice
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Reply #72 on: December 14, 2003, 03:30:35 pm
Muslim justice apparently says that murdering one man is as bad as murdering everyone in the world. It didn't stop Saddam bumping off over four million people.
 

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Reply #73 on: December 14, 2003, 03:33:45 pm
Well if that's the logic they work on what do you expect, if you kill one person it doesn't make a difference if you keep on killing now does it.
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Reply #74 on: December 14, 2003, 03:52:15 pm
Well that's one way to look at it.
 

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Reply #75 on: December 14, 2003, 04:01:04 pm
Shariah law, I believe the term is.
 

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Reply #76 on: December 14, 2003, 04:25:37 pm
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U.S. military officials told NBC News that it was unlikely that the informer would be eligible for the $25 million bounty on Saddam's head because they were U.S. captives likely to face charges themselves.


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Reply #77 on: December 14, 2003, 05:02:57 pm
[q]You know, the kind where if a man is caught stealing something, they cut off his hand.[/q]

So since he could be said to have raped Iraq, can we cut of his doohickey? :nervous:

Seriously tho - I think he should be sent to the Hague. Its how we've always dealt with war criminals since post Nuremberg (sp?).
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Reply #78 on: December 14, 2003, 05:15:54 pm
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True - i think there have been some celebrations in other Arab nations.

Unfortunately, it's the vocal minority(?) that present a problem.  Number one aim is / has to be not make Saddam a martyr to Islamic / Arab fundamentalists.


Well for one thing there won't be any complaints from Iran :D They hate him more than the US does.

As for the trial the best thing to do would be to appoint it only after the elections in Iraq. That way the US can say "not our fault" when he does get sentenced to death.

Besides I'd imagine he lost a lot of respect from the fundies after he was captured without firing a single shot.
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Reply #79 on: December 14, 2003, 05:22:21 pm
No matter how things fall out with this, the US will be blamed. No matter what government is in power when they try Hussein, it will be seen as a puppet of the US by anyone with an axe to grind against the new regime or the US. We're fukt either way.
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