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Offline Unknown Target

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Ready to move to the US?
http://story.news.yahoo.com/fc?cid=34&tmpl=fc&in=US&cat=Immigration



Wooohoooo, can't wait until the totalitarian state sets in.

The terrorists won, end of story. We may be killing them, but they killed all our rights.

 

Offline Gloriano

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that is just stupid
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Offline Solatar

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Yep, terrorists won.

 

Offline phreak

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its not like babies get "footprinted" when they are born :rolleyes: this way the po-lice can match fingerprints to an indentity.
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Offline Taristin

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Well, we can all thank Wal-Mart for this... :nervous:
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Offline Solatar

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Don't they do this to Americans as well? But only if you have a criminal record? I guess they can't be sure of the backgrounds of foreigners.

 

Offline Nico

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That's it? I was expecting much worse :doubt:
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Offline Drew

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Don't they do this to Americans as well? But only if you have a criminal record?

exactaly

i wouldnt say this is a push towards totalitarianism, as it only applys to immagrnts. If everyone was gettin fingerprinted, that would scare me. But the US is far from being totalitarian but with G.W and his liberty-be-dammed domsetic policy, we seem to be gettin just a little bit closer every day.  grrrrr
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Offline Knight Templar

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I don't see how this is really bad as much as it kind of makes sense. There isn't any harm in it if you are not a terrorist.. and if you are.. then i guess they hae your finger prints now..

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Offline Flipside

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Quite frankly, it was Britains inability to decisively take any action about anything that led to us being Al Quaida's favourite part of Europe.Something had to be done, right or wrong, it's more to protect the public than our government are doing.

 

Offline Taristin

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...and how does this help when the actual terrorists are unknown people who probably haven't had their fingerprints taken?
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Offline Dark_4ce

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Hmm. I see nothing wrong with doing that. Me personally, I don't feel in any way violated that they got my picture and my finger prints stored in their systems cause I have nothing to hide. Its the sky marshal idea which I think is ridiculous.
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Offline Stryke 9

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It doesn't. At best, all this class of measures are exercises in well-meaning distraction, giving the people the illusion of security because no matter what they do it doesn't help to have a civilian populace that's aware of how helpless the government is against any reasonably inventive group of individuals- particularly in an election year. At worst, it's just yet another excuse to harass and humiliate, which is after all basically what cops live for. Well, that and shooting stuff.

Totalitarianism, though? Hardly. The federal government has enacted infinitely worse in the past few years, and indeed in the case of this one I'm surprised they didn't do that in the first place. You want totalitarianism, go take a look at what they're doing to internet privacy, or the overtly corrupt and inaccurate voting system that's been put into place, or all the people being dissapeared away to Camp X-Ray, and quit hyperventilating about the small things most people wouldn't even think twice about.

 
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Well put.  My feelings exactly.
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Offline Carl

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you guys are freakin' stupid if you think that this has any affect on our rights. heck, everyone in america should be finger printed. the sheer amount of big government paranoia that has been floating around these boards lately is shocking. stop thinking whatever the media is telling you to some time.
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Offline Beowulf

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you guys are freakin' stupid if you think that this has any affect on our rights. heck, everyone in america should be finger printed. the sheer amount of big government paranoia that has been floating around these boards lately is shocking. stop thinking whatever the media is telling you to some time.


11 / 10 on the ridiculous scale.


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When should you be paranoid of the government? When they take away your protection (guns). Ohh... woops... already happening.

Guess what? In the US guns are used four times more for defense than for crime. And yet, still, there are those politicians who would like to revoke your right to defend your person and family.


Chew that one.



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Offline Kosh

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i wouldnt say this is a push towards totalitarianism, as it only applys to immagrnts


Rules like this targeted towards immigrants have had tendencies to eventually have tendencies to become targeted towards citizens as well.
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Offline Beowulf

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on Immigrants = Good

on Citizens = Bad

Wall between US and Mexico = Uber Good
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Offline Stryke 9

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Beowulf: One in four is a **** ratio. If there's a one in four chance of some guy shooting you in the head, you gonna give him a pistol? I have my own reasons to be interested in gun legalization, but that's a pretty poor one.

Carl: And, um, when exactly are we supposed to start distrusting the government? Seems to me like military tribunals of civilians, reinstatement of most of the same disgusting behavior that pushed things over the edge in the sixties, and constant warmongering are pretty ****ing good signs that something's amiss. You don't see those traits in healthy, democratic governments. Nor do you see a president coming out in support of a hugely inaccurate voting system run by some of his major contributors, or running a reelection campaign based largely on hating a largely disliked minority group.

In fact, there've been damn few militant dictatorships in history that didn't start right there. Oh, and with a passive, compliant populace that trusted its government too long.


Honestly, even given the minor chance that Bush is actually honest (and, let's be realistic here, he isn't. I haven't even personally met a Republican who still buys that crap after Iraq), there's still no reason to trust him or the rest of the current setup in Washington. Even on the infinitesimal chance that they somehow do have the peoples' best interest in mind, there's nothing to lose from distrusting them. There is nothing we won't lose if we trust them when we should not.

 

Offline Kamikaze

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The *pulls facts out of ass* factor on this forum is pretty nasty too.

and don't tell me I pulled that out of my ass.

Also, I'm appalled by the left wing whine-*****-ass-off media. Seriously, I'm generally a lefty but the whine/***** I hear on radio, see on tv, read on the 'net is awful. A chain reaction of silly, pointless *****ing (then the people go on ignoring other actual major breaches of human rights 'cause the media don't feed it to them).
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