[SadisticSid]

Of course the biggest travesty of all to come from these 'evil isms' is the concept of the hate crime, whereby a murder is somehow more evil if the murderer killed a guy simply because he was black over all other motives.

[an0n]

..........It is.

You can either have it so all murders are wrong and include manslaughter as being flat-out murder. Or you can give allowances for motive, in which case killing someone for raping your wife would be less evil than killing someone because they were black.

And 'evil' is subjective to begin with..........

[karajorma]

Couldn't have put it better myself an0n.

[an0n]

And for the record: I'm all for being racist.....and nationalist and ageist and sexist. And being evil generally. I just like people to pick a side and stick to it, or FOAD.

[SadisticSid]

Originally posted by an0n
..........It is.

You can either have it so all murders are wrong and include manslaughter as being flat-out murder. Or you can give allowances for motive, in which case killing someone for raping your wife would be less evil than killing someone because they were black.

And 'evil' is subjective to begin with..........

No it isn't. If you hate gays or blacks or transsexuals then you might be a bigot, but are not guilty of anything but having an opinion. If you hate gays or blacks or transsexuals and kill gays or blacks or transsexuals then you're a murderer and a 'hate criminal'. Justice should be about punishing criminal acts, not punishing unpopular opinions.

[an0n]

Yes. Punish the criminals.

But if you're going to make distinctions between "He killed him because he raped his wife" (former) and "He killed him because he was black" (latter), whereby the former is more acceptable than "He killed him because he was pissing him off" (b'twixt) and seen to be worthy of a lesser sentence ('Diminished Responsibility'), then by the same token the latter is worse than b'twixt and should be more harshly punished.

[Black Wolf]

Originally posted by Carl

Originally posted by jdjtcagle

Where I'm from you don't have to be white to be racist.  

where i'm from you do. [/B]

Come live in my town for a few weeks. Once you've lost count of the number of times you hear "White C**t" shot off at cops, pedestrians and you, your opinions will change.

[an0n]

That's why God made crack.

[SadisticSid]

But how is killing someone because they're black any different from killing someone because they're fat or killing someone because they only have 7 fingers or some other arbitrary reason? Why don't these 'minorities' get the same unique protection? This is why I'm against them.

[an0n]

I wasn't saying it's worse because blacks are a minority. I'm saying it's worse because it's more arbitrary than "Because he pissed me off".

[SadisticSid]

I didn't say that, only that these other hypothetical minorities aren't protected because they aren't popular ones.

If someone 'pissed me off' and I killed them then there'd be (some) provocation. The problem with hate crimes is they apply because of someone's opinion.

[an0n]

The existence of all law and morality is based on someones opinion.

[Bobboau]

ok sid, so fat/gay/deminished digited people arn't covered by your hate crime laws, then maybe your laws should be expanded. the purpose of hate crime laws is to punish worse crimes harsher, killing someone for no reason (ie becase there black, jewish, english) is worse than killing them for some reason, even if it's a realy realy lame reason (he pissed me off, he killed my father, he killed my fragile belefe in the invisable majical man in the sky, the aliens told me to)

I agree with you that someone who kills someone else becase there gay or fat should be given virtualy the same treatment as someone who killed someone becase there black.

and An0n, as much as I agree with the "Hate is humanity." concept I disagree with the idea that love and compasion are somehow non-human concepts that have somehow been imposed on us (by society or whatever). love and compasion (or something similar) are necisary for any socal animal, and to an extent needed for any animal that raises it's young (this would exclude most (but not all) reptiles, fish, and invertabrates (not sure on how socal insects would fit in to this)). humans evolved to live in famely groupes of 10 -100 people, we need love and compasion to help our famlies as much as we need hate to kill off rivals and failed mutations. if you disagree consider the following scenario, two camps of humans one groupe has only hate and selfishnes, the other has also compasion, given relitivly harsh conditions wich of the two would likely have the larger population given several hundred years.

[vyper]

[q]That's why God made crack.[/q]

It took the CIA to exploit it.

[Bobboau]

I think you'r thinking of LSD, but they might have done crack too

[Carl]

Originally posted by Black Wolf
Come live in my town for a few weeks. Once you've lost count of the number of times you hear "White C**t" shot off at cops, pedestrians and you, your opinions will change.

you misunderstood what i was trying to say. It's only considered racist if a white person does it. if a black person does the same thing they get off scott free. double standards.

[an0n]

Originally posted by Bobboau
if you disagree consider the following scenario, two camps of humans one groupe has only hate and selfishnes, the other has also compasion, given relitivly harsh conditions wich of the two would likely have the larger population given several hundred years.

The hate-tribe. Because they'd do what all successful species do and prey on the weak.

So while the fag-tribe was sat around learning how to read and write, the hate-tribe would be encircling their camp and getting ready to rush in, smash open their skulls and feast on their brains.

Love is an utterly stupid concept. It has no worthwhile attributes associated to it and is basically just a perverted form of selfishness.

[Corsair mk. 2]

Athens v. Sparta?

The Athenians are eventually defeated because their culturalness just can't cope with the Spartans  militaristic nature... you mean kinda like that?

I guess...
In that case though, won't the GTVA eventually be overrun by the Shivans?

[an0n]

It already has been.

That's why there's no FS3. It ends with Alpha 1 being killed and Volition just didn't have the heart to release it.

[pyro-manic]

Originally posted by an0n
.....Love is an utterly stupid concept. It has no worthwhile attributes associated to it and is basically just a perverted form of selfishness.

.....  .....

I'm speechless....

You still think at that level?