[Zarax]

At least he created something more than harsh words.

[Kazan]

I guess a monstrosity is something more than harsh words if you want to be technical

[Zarax]

Uh, yeah, sure...
Keep bashing, i'll keep building on it...

[Kazan]

ouch... you just got pwned... you couldn't come up with a witty retort


lol I r witty god


wait.. i must stop i'm acting like a windows script kiddie, and starting to talk like one... DAMN YOU ZARAX!! You didn't tell me you were contagious



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Seriously though, windows is a complete monstrosity -- why in the name of Zeus ass did the IE update they just release container and KERNEL UPDATE! There absofragginglutely no reason that a freaking web browser update should contain a kernel update, unless you're so totally brain****ed when it comes to Software Engineering that you think you should integrate your browser into your kernel -- you sohuldn't even be integrating your shell into your kernel.

I'm not even going to go into Outlook exploits and how pathetic they are.

How about that "Embrace and Extend" program Microsoft likes to turn tword things like HTML, Java, ETC -- str_replace(array("Embrace", "Extend"), array("Steal", "Proprietorize"), $prg->name);


I really like how the win32 API doesn't exactly work as they say it should -- nobody like microsoft for MISDOCUMENTING their own API.

How about that WinSOCK Sockets implementation with the massive bugs that have existed since win 3X and microsoft has known about them and done nothing.



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I don't have time to list every bug in microsoft history, and removing the "fixed" bugs from that list would only shorten the document by 10 out of a few thousand pages

If you want to have your ass so far up bill gates' ass that you cannot see the light of day and his ass-stench is displacing enough oxygen that you can no longer thing that's your business-  but I am not going to let you spread BULL**** to anyone in my presence -- you are out of your league

[diamondgeezer]

So does this 'Linux' thingumy let one play FreeCell?

[01010]

I like to watch nerds fight on the internet. It's the verbal equivalent of robot wars.

DG, get Viewtiful Joe if you haven't already. Quite possibly the best game on the GC right now. ****ing hard though.

[Odyssey]

[color=cc9900]I'm not going to participate in this discussion. People have already formulated their opinions, and they're going to stick to their guns.
What I am going to do is give a handy link to a page with a list of equivalents/replacements/analogs of Windows software in Linux. It ought to make the migration process a lot easier.
http://linuxshop.ru/linuxbegin/win-lin-soft-en/table.shtml
EDIT: And, for games, try this list:
http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php[/color]

[diamondgeezer]

Someone lend me thirty squids to buy Viewtiful Joe

[Kazan]

Odyssey:

[mikhael]

Originally posted by Zarax
Mikhael, look where www.microsoftusernetwork is hosted and you will know my opinion...

Actually, what IS your opinion? www.microsoftusernetwork.com runs on Linux: " The site www.microsoftusernetwork.com  is running Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) mod_tsunami/2.0 mod_log_bytes/1.2 mod_bwlimited/1.0 PHP/4.3.2 FrontPage/5.0.2.2510 mod_ssl/2.8.12 OpenSSL/0.9.6i on Linux."

Beside that, i believe that big software companies are the best mean for delivering and distribuing quality products, but there must be only one standard.

Otherwise the average joe won't know what programs to buy because he won't be sure they will run in his shiny new pc, just like into the eighties.

Unix derivatives may be a good choice for servers, but Windows is and will stand as the best choice for the average user.

Interesting thesis, but ultimately flawed. In the 80s there was only one choice for PC users in business: x86 hardware running an OS that was made by or was directly compatible with that made by Microsoft. There wasn't a hell of a lot of choice. This monoculture was directly created by IBM and Microsoft.  In fact, any PC made by any clone maker could run software marketted by any PC software company because the hardware was the same.
Linux and BSD are exactly the same: They'll run on any PC (and arguably, on more PCs than modern Windows will, since they can run very servicably on older hardware) and pretty much everything else out there. Windows, today, runs only on x86 hardware. I remember when it ran on Alpha, MIPS, and PowerPC as well. Whilst the free alternatives have been reaching out to embrace more technology, Microsoft has been narrowing down and excluding everything but the x86 architecture. In other words, Microsoft has limited your choices, whilst Linux and BSD have extended it. The cool thing about Linux and BSD is that the user doesn't ever have to worry about their software running (assuming, like with Windows, the underlying hardware platform is the same).  My BSD box can run Microsoft products under Xwindows without a problem. Your Microsoft box can't do that (oh wait, yes it can, because you, the user, can recompile our software for your machine, because we give you the source code).

Aldo, if you say a monopoly is bad you don't really know what an oligarchy (namely trust) can do.

A monopoly is a specific kind of trust. I suggest you research antitrust law before you make such ignorant remarks. You are likewise incorrect about what an oligarchy is. Oligarchy is rule by a few people.

The main factor that made computers evolve from hobby to a serious profession was and is the economical potential.
If you don't have a cash cow then you cannot afford people working into the R&D, and as a result, very few people interested in advancing software development.
Actually the software R&D budget is around $20 billions globally, but if you look at who is spending that money you won't find really many names.

So that's why Sourceforge and Freshports and kernel.org and Freebsd.org and OpenBSD.org and the rest shut down. No one would work if they weren't getting paid...  Maybe we should call them all up and let them know.

...and believe me the bundled software world is not something you would be happy with.

You're absolutely right: Many of us aren't happy with the bundled software world. I get a Microsoft OS with my computers whether I want one or not. I'm really not happy with the fact that my printer bundles (and usually installs without asking) software I'll never use. Same for my CD Burner and my scanner and my video and sound cards.

Thank goodness I can install FreeBSD and download and install drivers and software for this hardware that I want, instead of depending on the bundled software and operating systems that come with the hardware.

[mikhael]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer
So does this 'Linux' thingumy let one play FreeCell?

Yes.

[Kazan]

thank you mikhael


Mikhael has hope for you, I do not.  You are ignorant of your own volition are are ignoring the truth.  Linux outright out performance windows.   LINUX IS PROFITABLE AND THAT SCARES YOU -- HP posted over $3 million in linux related profit last quater - and IBM is posting even bigger profits.


The profit is open source is in KNOWLEDGE -- Support and Training --  software isn't something to be sold it is something to be shared.    Those have spent their time learning how the system works, working on the system, even helping the system evolve has unique knowledge and a unique ability to teach you.  This is what you give them money for - for their time and dedication to helping the commons.

So much time and money is duplicated every day in the propreitary software industry. Massive ammous of code duplication.  It's sad.

[mikhael]

Kaz, as I explained to my wife: I have no hope for Zarax. I have hope for all the lurkers who are reading this and would only ever get Zarax's side of things if we all just dismissed him. You gotta show the people that its the whole open source thing isn't really about "microsoft bad!"'. You gotta show them that its about "choice good!"

Of course, I say "Linux Bad! BSD Good!"

[Kazan]

hehe -- i say "Microsoft! Bad!" because Microsoft is the anti-choice

[01010]

Originally posted by diamondgeezer
Someone lend me thirty squids to buy Viewtiful Joe

Abduct a small child off the streets and either sell it or steal it's pocket money.

There's nothing more satisfying than shooting down an apache helicopter with it's own bullets that you are punching back at it.

[diamondgeezer]

Mmm... small child...

[Kamikaze]

While we're on the subject of Linux and Gamecube...

[SadisticSid]

Look at Windows from an economic point of view before you diss it. What makes people buy Windows? Because it's what everything runs on. This is far more valuable to the majority of users than anything *nix provides, and this will no doubt persist in the forseeable future. At the end of the day all MS has done is get there first and had the good business sense to cement the market so it was favourable to them. I'd try to do the same if given the opportunity and commend this behaviour.

(BTW I don't doubt Linux is technically superior to MS software, it's just that only a small percentage of people use it as a regular desktop OS.)

[Kazan]

What Makes you buy linux: Because that's the only operating system most manufacturers offer

Everything DOES NOT run on windows - every other operating system around is POSIX compliant - ie you write almost identical code for every single one of them - a program i write for linux can be recompiled for freebsd can be recompiled for OSX (and using special libraries) can even be recompiled for windblows.

It will not "no doubt persist" these are the views of the person who doesn't know what's really going on (no offense intended) -- and have been widely dispelled among upper management through many corporations.


Doing it first doesn't mean doing it RIGHT -- Microsoft has used it's position in anticompeteative practices - but it's no doing them any good -- they have lost the server market war and they are going to loose the overall war within the next 5 to 10 years.


Microsoft is going down, it just takes a while

[Grey Wolf]

What I'm sure Sid is referring to, Kazan, is basic software you'd pick up in a store like CompUSA or Staples. Walk in there, you'll see mostly Windows-based programs. Also, most games tend to either be Windows only or come out for Windows first. Admittedly, you could use  an emulator to run the programs, but that, IIRC, does cause a performance loss.