[Kazan]

01010: would you like me to bust out the science on the concentrations of carcinogens, tar, noxious chemicals and the brain damaging effects of THC for you? I have a feeling you've heard it about a thousand times before - but you just have selective hearing and choose to ignore the blatant truth because "it's fun" it "make you feel good"... just like a religious zealot


there is no difference in the behavior of the two groups once you observe them both often enough defending their position

[Fineus]

Do you drink alcohol Kazan?

[an0n]

Do you eat sugar?

[Kazan]

Thunder: no i do not, but you're leading into a mild false analogy

an0n: blatant false analogy

[Stealth[cro]]

Kazan, just FYI, today's THC content in regular weed is about 100x bigger than what used to be smoked in the sixties. A joint a week (and no, they didn't get their smokes every day) wouldn't do anything to them.

Hippies weren't that bad of a movement - anti-capitalistic (definitely good, as I'm personally sick and tired of monopoly over everything and anything, our lives included), anti-nuclear (also good, if anyone mentions a power blackout I'll just kindly remind them of  Chernobyl), much more social than people today, and, in fact, they actually cared whether this planet's going bust or not.

[an0n]

Not really, Kazan.

Everything ****s you up. It's just that most people are able to balance the beneficial and adverse effects of various substances so that they don't keel over.

[an0n]

Originally posted by Stealth[cro]
anti-nuclear (also good, if anyone mentions a power blackout I'll just kindly remind them of  Chernobyl),

And they'll probably remind you right back: Coal burning = Pollution.

much more social than people today, and, in fact, they actually cared whether this planet's going bust or not.

Because they were all medicated into a state of false transcendency.

[01010]

Originally posted by Kazan
01010: would you like me to bust out the science on the concentrations of carcinogens, tar, noxious chemicals and the brain damaging effects of THC for you? I have a feeling you've heard it about a thousand times before - but you just have selective hearing and choose to ignore the blatant truth because "it's fun" it "make you feel good"... just like a religious zealot


 

Not heard it a thousand times before but actually looked it up myself and I choose to do it despite the (so called) facts because I have this little thing called free will, it also helps me to seperate truth from bull****.

I don't see how making a reasonable and informed choice that affects only myself relates me to anyone that follows religion with zeal but I guess that's just your way of rationalising your thoughts with regards to anyone that differs from yourself.

However, "busting out the science" (though there still hasn't been a proper dedicated study that hasn't been converted from tobacco studies or straight from the off goes out to demonize cannabis, that I know of) has nothing to do with you making a gross generalisation which I happen to find quite offensive.

If you genuinely believe that all people that smoke weed are "wank ass losers" (whatever the **** that's supposed to mean) based on mostly theoretical and/or biased science studies and without actually knowing the effects of the drug on yourself  or on anybody that uses it, kind of makes you as blinkered as the zealots you so openly despise.

[Stunaep]

Hey, because everyone f ucks you up, doesn't mean that it's the same with everyone else. There are actually people who do stuff out of *gasp* good will and charity.

[an0n]

Weed causes:

• Paranoia
• Insomnia
• Mild schizophrenia
• Lung cancer
• Throat cancer
• Mental retardedness (AKA Dopeyness)

I don't need a government study to tell me this ****, I've seen it and anyone who denies it is either an addict or a moron.

[Stealth[cro]]

Originally posted by an0n
And they'll probably remind you right back: Coal burning = Pollution.

They were always out for alternatives. I don't recall them wanting to use oil or coal. Besides, even a coal powerplant fire is nothing compared to even a minor rad leak. The first may smell bad and make a nasty cloud, but the second will linger around for ~25 years, catch you with your pants down and kill you, if not immediately then in five years when gamma rads kick in.

Because they were all medicated into a state of false transcendency. [/B]

Something tells me you don't know that many people who were hippies or "hippies". Not all of them were weed-smoking guitar strummers.

Edit:

01010 - roger on the biased science. The effect of a psychoactive is ALWAYS dependent on the person. Not to mention the fact THC can be used as a medical supplement, has already been proven, tested and used.

an0n - Thank you, I'll consider myself a moron by a unanimous vote. I don't suppose that point of view is also zealotry?

[an0n]

Originally posted by Stealth[cro]
They were always out for alternatives. I don't recall them wanting to use oil or coal. Besides, even a coal powerplant fire is nothing compared to even a minor rad leak. The first may smell bad and make a nasty cloud, but the second will linger around for ~25 years, catch you with your pants down and kill you, if not immediately then in five years when gamma rads kick in.

150,000 years of the entire Earth suffering from global warming is slightly worse than 10,000 years of localised radioactivity.

Something tells me you don't know that many people who were hippies or "hippies". Not all of them were weed-smoking guitar strummers.

Oh, you mean the sexually promiscuous hippies? The ones who all live in poverty with 6 kids and AIDS?

[kasperl]

AFAIK, the **** with weed isn't all that much different from the **** with tabacco, both bad.
for both i have a simple rule, i don't care if you do it, but not near me.

[an0n]

Oh and as a general note of information: For the past year or so the dealers and suppliers have been cutting weed with increasing amounts of heroin and crack to get you hooked on harder drugs.

Enjoy your 'spliff'.

[01010]

Originally posted by an0n
Weed causes:

• Paranoia
• Insomnia
• Mild schizophrenia
• Lung cancer
• Throat cancer
• Mental retardedness (AKA Dopeyness)

I don't need a government study to tell me this ****, I've seen it and anyone who denies it is either an addict or a moron. [/B]

Paranoia is a side effect that wears off as tolerance develops.

Your'e pulling the insomnia **** out of nowhere because the only reason I sleep most nights is because I smoke, in fact, chronic insomnia is the reason I started smoking so much.

Schizophrenia is triggered, not caused, by smoking, same deal with L.S.D, Mushrooms etc.

Lung and throat cancer goes with the territory, you don't HAVE to smoke it.

Dopeyness, I hear this a lot, certainly it spaces me out sometimes but I've never felt stupider for smoking and I've never forgotten anything important, mostly just stupid stuff (people I've met a only a few times names, forget to put my watch on before work, forget to call people at certain times) nothing major.

[Stunaep]

you forget nothing major now, you forget somethng major a year or two down the road, you forget where you put your penis in ten years, and so on...

[Kazan]

Any ammout of THC is hazardous [dosage dicdtacts how how hazardous]


the hippies weren't bad - i never said they were (anti-capitalistic isn't actually good, ant-PURE-capitism is -- capitilism is the only viable system in the long run, but to remain fair it must have rules and is thereby "inpure"), anti-nuclear isn't always good either -- not using bombs is excellent - but so is nuclear power, chernobyl happened because of brain dead governmental administrators overworking engineers IIRC

there are plenty of people aroud that care about the planet - just ATM They're not in the white house

[an0n]

Paranoia increases with use.

You got insomnia because you smoke weed. You now have a fully-fledged dependency. Kudos.

So what if it only triggers Schizophrenia? It could only trigger a hammer to your face, it's still a negative effect of smoking weed.

The point is: You do have to smoke it. It's addictive :tard:.

Dopeyness: Glad you agree. Weed = Stupidity.

[Stealth[cro]]

Originally posted by an0n
150,000 years of the entire Earth suffering from global warming is slightly worse than 10,000 years of localised radioactivity.

Slightly worse my ass. Global warming won't chance a common cold virus into an instant killer. "Localized" radioactivity may, can and probably will. I say "localized", because it never is, I'll restate again - Chernobyl and it's death cloud that covered Europe. Consider yourself lucky if you weren't there. Then again, the USA had just as many nuclear screw-ups...

Oh, you mean the sexually promiscuous hippies? The ones who all live in poverty with 6 kids and AIDS?

So, they're either promiscuous or on weed...
Tssk... You should really get your FOV increased one of these days...

[Kazan]

01010 -- i am the first person to scream bias about a sutdy because i am an anal scientific purist -- there were plenty of biased studies about weed in both directions -- but there are sevarel unbiased studies slamming it


It may be your personal choice, but that doesn't mean I have to respect it.  I have to respect your right to choose, but i don't have to respect that choice.  Especially when that choice isn't wholly personal -- if you expose even one person to measurably concentrations of second hand weed smoke (and trust me... measurability extends _VERY_ _FAR_) then you have no longer made it your personal choice.  If one single molecule of THC or any other chemical in weed were to drift through the air and is inhaled by another person due to your smoking you have just imposed your choiceo n them and denied them their right to choose the healthy choice.


While it is also your choice it is also my choice that if i was a boos and you were applying form y company you would have to take a drug test, if you failed that drug test you would not be hired.  If you passed the test and were hired and I ever smelled weed on you you would be fired, if you were hired and I ever heard you were doing serious drugs you would have to take a drug test and if you failed you would be fired.   Fruthermore I will be extremely reluctant to even allow cigarette smokers in my company.  I do not need ID-dominated (impulsive) employess, I do not need unhealthy employess, I despise the smell of smoke on someone and it even makes it so i have trouble breathing around them.


I am far from the only person who holds this opinion, and most of us are the people who will end up in managmeent positions.



You keep your choice right now -- when it harms your chances for a job later I will laugh.   You keep your choice right now -- when the cops bust down your door I will laugh (though I think you should go to a psychiatric hospital rather than jail).


"Medicialize drugs" -- as in don't throw the addicts in jail, throw the addicts in a mental health center -- send the dealers to federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison