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Offline mikhael

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Oh, and if you're going to read the Hyperion series, read only the first two books (Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion). The other two screw everything up. It's like Simmons decided he didn't like the first two books and proceeded to completely destroy the story and the universe mythology.


Don't listen to Styxx. He doesn't know what he's talking about. Read Endymion and Rise of Endymion. They make some of the events in Fall of Hyperion make sense (where they didn't before).
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Don't listen to Styxx. He doesn't know what he's talking about. Read Endymion and Rise of Endymion. They make some of the events in Fall of Hyperion make sense (where they didn't before).


No, don't read them. It's like watching Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions. It'll ruin the experience. I read Endymion because I loved the first two books and wanted more, and was disappointed. Then I read Rise of Endymion hoping that it would fix the screwups on Endymion, and it only got worse.

Shame I can't un-read them now. :p
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know how many years in the future Chaprthouse: Dune takes place from the original Dune? It's several thousand years at least, but does anyone know the exact date?


I can't recall if they ever say it, but I don't think they do. I'll go flip the book a little to check, I think they give somewhat of a hint in the beginning of it.

*back* couldn't find any date, but I didn't look really much either. the fourth book is taking place a millenia after the first, but iirc even more time passes in the fifth and then not so very much in chapterhouse. it was a while since I read the whole series, but I'm currently rereading it at ultraslow pace...

I almost need to get the "prequels" and stuff too.
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No, don't read them. It's like watching Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions. It'll ruin the experience. I read Endymion because I loved the first two books and wanted more, and was disappointed. Then I read Rise of Endymion hoping that it would fix the screwups on Endymion, and it only got worse.

Shame I can't un-read them now. :p


Bah. Heathen. Its a shame we can't surgically implant literary taste in you. :p
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Incidentially, this site is really damn cool for short SF stories. It's like the magazines from the good old days.

 

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Hey, what's science fiction without deformed monsters?

 

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I'd sort of half heartedly recommend Greg Bear's Blood Music, in which nanites or intelligent microbes (can't remember which) turn a sizable portion of the world's population into mush. It drags a little towards the end but the first half of the book is kind of trippy and worth a read.
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Mutant blood cells actually. :) I feel the same way about a lot of Greg Bear's stuff. He comes up with great ideas but isn't that great at getting them down on paper.

I did however like Forge of God and its sequel Anvil of Star's by him. His short story Dead Run is also very good (it became a twilight zone episode). It's about a guy in charge of transporting dead souls to hell.

On the other hand Eon and Eternity were full of great ideas but never quite gelled together as a book for me.
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Man... I'm reading a rather psychotically odd book right now, called THE BONES OF THE EARTH by Michael Swanwick... Its basically a time travel book where paleontologists get to study their favorite beasties for real, while taking into account a multitude of paradoxes and counter paradoxes as well as a phychotic militarist Christian Terrorist movement...

I gotta admit the book is slightly "interesting" but seriously, every page has me going "WTF?!"! Its like reading a damn Paleontologists Wet-dream! Its quite... Well, let me explain...

Someone has made a time machine/funnel thingy, the writer doesent care to elaborate. The guys who invented it wish to keep it secret. But they wanna do something with it. So they hire a whole bunch of paleontologists to go back in time to research dinosaurs. But still keep their findings secret. Well, at this point I was rather struck by the fact that these paleontologists are put at such high regard. I mean, wouldn't the goverment rather but it to some more sinister use? Anyway, their noble deeds get done, and people start resereaching dinosaurs. Then things get complicated. When the hero "gets the opportunity of a lifetime" he goes to a mass paleontologist conference in the future, ten years into the future, that pritty much has people from all over time arrive. (only people from the creation of the time machine and its future mind you.) Basically its a seminar. And paleontologist from the future lecture paleontologists from the past saying before each speech how great the books of the audinece members were and how much it inspired them to become paleontogists, even though these people heavent written them yet. And they pritty much say that there isnt much they can teach them, since all they KNOW is from the people they're lecturing, who also don't know what they WILL know in the future...

Still following? Well it gets even better...

By now, my head was swimming with the crazy ammount of paradoxes I just read. Then there's a small explenation about paradoxes during the conference. The explenation is pritty much this. Paradoxes can happen, and they do. Because the writer says so. But they ofcourse usually try and not have them happen. Or certain things are not adressed as paradoxes. So pritty much at this stage I'm totally confused. Somethings are srious paradoxes while others (that would be serious in my mind) arent. so now, we have a whole slew of Paleontologist teams from across a 90 year span all from different eras working with each other in different dinossaur times, trying to figure them out. All the while writing books and publishing and giving them to their predecessor to learn therefore giving themselves the knowledge to write the book in the first place. And then theres this ONE guy who controls it ALL! He pritty much jumps from time to time, doing things to keep things from going sour, sometimes bumping into his future or older self, or meeting his older or younger workers, and usually arguing with his boss (which is also himself, but much older). So you cant seriously believe how bloody flawed this book is with its paradoxes!

anyway, if you're still with me, we also have some weird ass love triangle thing going on. Our main hero got duped by his future love, who was in her fifties, before she got whisked away by the boss, who tells him he's an idiot for almost having sex with a woman twice his age and one who slanders his work. He then show him a future article about his book he hasn't written yet. So now, he doesent like this woman anymore, so everytime he sees her he's angry. So when the young aspiring version of her meets him the first time during one lecture, he finds out who she is and gets agnry, and storms off. She then takes it personally and slanders his book... But still for some reason, she tries to have sex with him every chance she gets, all at different times in his life, and he likes I think one of here ages. Where they actually fall in love. So... He hates her past self, her future self, and most of her present self. But somewhere is his true love. Ok. And all of those selves are competing with each other. To get him...

yeah... I thought you were scratching your heads. But trust me, I'm making it all the more straight forward than in the book. Anyway it gets better...

At somepoint, the woman decides to spill the beans about the whole project and snatch a dinosaur baby and show it to the world, in the future. Everyone cheers and time travel has become public. No upheaval, no nothing. Everyone is happy. And the paleontologists still use it almost solely for themselves. Anyway, when time travel became public and dinosaurs were show for the first time in the flesh... This got the creationists all in a frezy. I mean serious frenzy. Time travel threatens ttheir whole belief! And they become militarist and terroristic! First they attempt to prove their theories by sending bodies into the past and have them fossilize in order to dis-prove carbon dating, and such. Then they decide to also assassinate some of the major paleontologists as well....

Ok... So at this point I totally realized that this writer is some bloody pompous assed science proffesor with too big a grudge against religeon in general. I mean every chance he gets, he takes a stab at religeon. (I personally am not a really religeous person, but it starts to annoy me when someone keeps on ranting about things such as religeon in general) He also writes way too lovingly about dinosaurs. Everytime they pop up, its like he's... I mean ****, its almost like he's getting off on the subject.

I mean seriously, Creationist extremists?!! YES! The paleontogists worst enemy! But the gung ho action hero dino explorers can survive anything! From plastic explosive remote controls, to building a wooden long house in the mezozoic era when they get stranded!

Then theres the paradoxes. I wont even get into to that... Except that at some points it seems everything is in control since, time pritty much can be controlled, and everything that can happen, HAS happened therefore there is prior knowledge to it. Still people have to wait around to be rescued, while in some cases people can't seem to do things on time! yeah.... So if you wanna read an interesting crazy trip into a mind of an idiot. Read the book. BONES OF THE EARTH! Every paleontologists Wet Dream!
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Hey, what's science fiction without deformed monsters?


Good science fiction... :wtf:
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Two recommendations.

Honor Harrington series...love the military sci-fi myself.  And the sci-fi books my aunt writes :D.  I've read almost all of them except for one and they are quite good! (still need time to read that newest one)  Check it out: www.czerneda.com
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The earlier Honor Harrington books are better than the later. I'm hoping that Crown of Slaves (I believe that's the name) will help the setting recover a bit...
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The earlier Honor Harrington books are better than the later. I'm hoping that Crown of Slaves (I believe that's the name) will help the setting recover a bit...


Crown of Slaves rules. Anton Zilwicki kicks ass. Victor Cachat kicks ass. And Thandi Palane kicks ass. The story is a bit far-fetched, but it's damn cool, and it's a refreshment from the missile flight statistics I mentioned earlier, even if it still dwells quite a bit on politics. You'd be a lot better off reading it only after reading the short stories From the Highlands, on the book Changer of Worlds and Fanatic, on the book Service of the Sword.

Here, have some links:

From the Highlands
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Crown of Slaves isn't available for free, though. Not yet, at least.

Oh, and while you're at it, read A Ship named Francis, it's bloody hilarious.
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Oh, forgot to mention. The short story Promised Land is also a good read before Crown of Slaves. More background details in there.
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I've read From the Highlands, one of the better short stories in the anthologies. I'll have to read the other two.
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Deep Angel was pretty awesome, that is until they changed the storyline and abandoned the old setting. Bastards.

 

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I agree with Styxx and Shrike. David Drake is good at what he does, especially the Hammer's Slammers books (I've blown through nearly 5 already).

Aside from this, Douglass Adams and Isaac Asimov are good. (If you don't know who Adams is, you need to be shot... and given a towel).
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