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Y'know. They coulda done it on purpose.

This way they get all their holes fixed without having to pay programmers or release Windows as an open-source, free-to-download product.
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Y'know. They coulda done it on purpose.

This way they get all their holes fixed without having to pay programmers or release Windows as an open-source, free-to-download product.


They tried something similar before, didn;t they?

  Releasing an 'open source' version of the code to companies  (in exchange for...er...getting to fix the bugs in the code themselves & report the fix to MS).

NB:  I think it actually takes an entire network of computers about 12+ hours to compile Windows....it's the definition of 'bloatware'.

 
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40 gigs of source seems a bit large, really. i mean, i know an OS does a lot of stuff, but if linux can do it in 2GB, it seems a bit gigantic.
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40 gigs of source seems a bit large, really. i mean, i know an OS does a lot of stuff, but if linux can do it in 2GB, it seems a bit gigantic.


Odds on that at least 5% of that code is actually completely useless, but it's so undocumented (and probably written by the work experience boy) that nonone can figure out if they can remove it or not.


At a guess

12.5% is probably the random crash routines.

25% is the bug report & id routines.

30% is the faulty security hole routines put in there to make people upgrade

10% is the code to support that stupid arse paperclip which ALWAY FECKING ANNOYS ME!!!!! *cough*

~0.00000000000125% is the error handling code. (currently commented out)

 

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Originally posted by aldo_14


They tried something similar before, didn;t they?

  Releasing an 'open source' version of the code to companies  (in exchange for...er...getting to fix the bugs in the code themselves & report the fix to MS).


Well, the two do have something to do with each other, though not exactly in that way. Apparently the person it got leaked from is an idiot and left a trail a mile wide. Including a tag MS had left in there specifying the company the OS snippet was loaned to and (I think) the user name.

 

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Mmmm. Slowlaris X86. It doesn't get much worse than that. ;)
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Mmmm. Slowlaris X86. It doesn't get much worse than that. ;)



If you can get me a cheap SunBlade or a Sparc station with a software packages then it isn't so bad:D

I never had any problems with it.

I use it at work but there we actualy use Sun Microsystem hardware/software.
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Y'know. They coulda done it on purpose.

This way they get all their holes fixed without having to pay programmers or release Windows as an open-source, free-to-download product.

I'd have said that if they'd have had Longhorn or whatever it is ready to launch

 

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Mmmm. Slowlaris X86. It doesn't get much worse than that. ;)


It's probably the only Os I've used that slows down to a crawl when more then one netscape window is open........  there's actually an semi-inquest going in our Cs department as to why the JVM (in aprticular) is so god-damn slow on the Solaris boxes.....

 

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hmmm...we don't have that problem. Weird
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hmmm...we don't have that problem. Weird


Yup... that seems to be the consensus, based on what one of the lab assistants said.

 

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We use allot of sparct statiosn. Moslty Ultra 5/10 and 60 boxes. We do also use some SunBlades. All put into a network not to big around 50 systems.

Did they offer a patch or other sollution for that problem?
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We use allot of sparct statiosn. Moslty Ultra 5/10 and 60 boxes. We do also use some SunBlades. All put into a network not to big around 50 systems.

Did they offer a patch or other sollution for that problem?


I have no idea what they're doing about it - if anything.  

All I know is that it got mentioned during a lab session, because the mobile agent system we were using was screwing up in new and inexplicable ways.

 

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You know, while Windows has plenty of security holes, the main way of hackers exploiting those holes is through executable files on their target's computer. To do that, they need to get an executable up and running on said computer, a task which is normally accomplished through a virus. And while there are of course many ways in which viruses can spread, I'd hazard a guesstimate that about 70-90% spread through vulnerabilities in Internet Explorer (which is the basis for the Outlook Express and Outlook email rendering engines).

The solution? Use Mozilla (or Opera - does it have a mail client though?). I remember many many virus-infected email I received in the Mozilla mail client - for the most part I could even view the email without any worries that the virus would self-execute. Not that that's a good idea mind you, but still... it's to prove the point that while your car may have a 40-gallon gas tank, all that gas needs to enter through the one little opening. Make sure that opening is secure, and you've secured the whole system.
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Kara, the problem is IMHO that if anyone says to MS: "look, i saw the source, here's the leak, and here's a complete patch for it." they'd put every bit of legal power they have to sue that person for seeing and editing the code, and creating a work based on it (that patch). therefor, no one, no one at all would dare to tell MS anything. the only thing MS can do now is release the source completely, and into the linux groups as well, and hope that people  are willing enough to help out.


That's what I meant.  As a result any white hat programmers will have to make an actual exploit and claim to MS that they came up with it independant of the source before they'll feel safe to go to MS. Then they'll have to wait for MS to find the dodgy piece of code in the source (something the white hat already knew) and fix it.

All in all an incredibly stupid turn of events.
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If you can get me a cheap SunBlade or a Sparc station with a software packages then it isn't so bad:D

I never had any problems with it.

I use it at work but there we actualy use Sun Microsystem hardware/software.


Should have said something while I still worked at Cisco. I threw out more working Sparc stations than I can count, and a couple of sunblades and sunrays (dumb terminals for connecting to sunblades) and we had just ditched all our 2.8 licenses for 2.9.
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damn i could have used one of those stations.:)
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